Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
So, Our Lord Jesus Christ had a brother? So a sinful child was conceived in Mary's womb?
AMEN! AMEN!
THX THX.
BTW,
WHY OH WHY
ALL THIS 2 YEAR OLD TEETH GNASHING hereon recently?
Maybe most of the grown-ups went in the lodge for coffee and a game of hearts?
Or is the gnawing, lingering anxiety that they might just be horrifically wrong starting to sink in a little deeper?
That could be QUITE frightful, alright.
I hope some of these folks are taking a few teaspoons of raw apple cider vinegar with some OJ morning AND night. Sheesh!
They weasel word away all those solid clear Scriptures.
They pretend God Almighty couldn’t possibly have said what He meant and meant what He said.
By this I assume you are speaking of the "fact that the Roman Catholic Church gave us the Bible" ? It's always the post that follows anything on extra-biblical teachings/doctrines.
The early Christians did NOT receive the Bible from the ROman Catholic Church. They received the Bible from the Holy Spirit, who inspired it.
And in case you feel the need to argue that point, I'll show you what the First Vatican Council said about this:
These books the church holds to be sacred and canonical not because she subsequently approved them by her authority after they had been composed unaided by human skill, nor simply because they contain revelation without error, but because, being written under the inspiration of the holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and were as such committed to the Church. - First Vatican Council.
Ain’t
ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY AND REALITY MANGLING
such a WONDERFUL INSTITUTION . . .
Those RELIGIOUS leaders 2000 years ago were just wimpy upstarts compared to ALICE’s magicstericals AND COMPANY.
What OLYMPIC CLASS
THEOLOGY-AS-ARROGANT-TYRANTS-WISH-IT-TO-BE
CONSTRUCTORS.
What a skillfully slick crew.
“”So, Our Lord Jesus Christ had a brother?”
Nope,not a biological connection.Mary had no other children through pregnancy. You don’t understand that brother means kinsman
Acts 1:12-15 - the gathering of Jesus’ “brothers” amounts to about 120. That is a lot of “brothers.” Brother means kinsmen in Hebrew.
Acts 7:26; 11:1; 13:15,38; 15:3,23,32; 28:17,21 - these are some of many other examples where “brethren” does not mean blood relations.
Scripturecatholic
I have wondered the same thing? I probably will move on and do thank you again for presenting truth of Jesus Christ our Lord here on FR. Keep me on all your ping lists. The time is short.
Am feeling a very subtle but significantly above average alertness, wariness, premonitional sort of something today. ANYONE ELSE FEELING ANY SUCH THING? ANY OTHER FEELINGS OR THOUGHTS WITH SUCH FEELINGS, DREAMS, ETC???
“”I’ll show you what the First Vatican Council said about this:””
Glad to see you give credit to Vatican 1
Now here is the rest of it...
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#SESSION%203%20:%2024%20April%201870
Now since the decree on the interpretation of holy scripture, profitably made by the council of Trent, with the intention of constraining rash speculation, has been wrongly interpreted by some, we renew that decree and declare its meaning to be as follows: that
* in matters of faith and morals,
* belonging as they do to the establishing of christian doctrine,
* that meaning of holy scripture must be held to be the true one,
* which holy mother church held and holds,
o since it is her right to judge of the true meaning and interpretation of holy scripture.
# In consequence, it is not permissible for anyone to interpret holy scripture in a sense contrary to this, or indeed against the unanimous consent of the fathers.
It’s too quiet...
Somethings going to pop.
What exactly? I don’t know.
"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth." (2 Tim. 2:15).
Am feeling it too, Quix!! I have a serious need to search for this sense of what is going on?? Appreciate all your pings!!
It was unsettling. Delayed calling the cops to see if there is a repeat performance this evening.
THX THX.
Agreed.
THX THX.
That IS one of the more hideous aspects of our culture in this era. Very grossly hideous.
(1) Kecharitomene means completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.
“completely, perfectly” are your additions to the meaning, ‘highly favored, to imbue with grace’, etc. the use of the term “grace” is thus equivalent to “favor” and has nothing whatsoever to do with sin or the degree of sin of the person favored.
(2) “Of course, Catholics agree that Mary has received grace. This is assumed in the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception: it was a grace from God which could not possibly have had anything to do with Mary’s personal merit, since it was granted by God at the moment of her conception, to preserve her from original sin (as appropriate for the one who would bear God Incarnate in her very body).”
You're citing a doctrinal assumption as support of that same doctrinal assumption, i.e., ‘the sky is blue since the the sky is blue’.
(3) The work of grace in overcoming sin displays its power (Rom. 5:20-21).
True but as Paul said this applied to all Christians that “died” in the old personality not just Mary. As Romans 5:12 says, ‘death spread to ALL men because they ALL had sinned.’ “All” leaves no exception for Mary.
(4) “The only way out of the logic would be to deny one of the two premises, and hold either that grace does not save or that grace is not that power which enables one to be sinless and holy. It is highly unlikely that any Evangelical Protestant would take such a position, so the argument is a very strong one, because it proceeds upon their own premises.”
Whether such proceeds from any Protestant premise is not the question, but whether it proceeds from Scripture. John said what cleanses from ALL sin was the blood of Christ Jesus. (1 John 1:7).
Further, in verse 10 John states that anyone who said they have not sinned was a liar.
Thus Luke 1:28 speaks to Mary being highly favored with bearing Jesus and is not concerned with sin at all.
“One possible quibble might be about when God applied this grace to Mary. We know (from Luke 1:28) that she had it as a young woman, at the Annunciation. Catholics believe that God gave her the grace at her conception so that she might avoid the original sin that she otherwise would have inherited, being human. Therefore, by God’s preventive grace, she was saved from falling into the pit of sin, rather than rescued after she had fallen in.”
You may believe as you will but nowhere is Mary said to be free from inherited sin or the subject of some invention called “preventive grace”.
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