Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Are you Catholic?
EXCELLENT POINTS, DEAR SISTER.
Your anointed wisdom is . . . greater Christian love for you in virtually every post of yours I read.
Praise God for your faithfulness to Him.
Thankfully, ‘unchurched’ in a tangible organizational sense does not equate necessarily with any lessening of being part of Christ’s Body.
Paul in the wilderness for 3 years was, in probably a list of senses, MORE part of Christ’s Body there, than he was later.
Thankfully, we can fellowship with fellow Believers over a meal, around Scripture, at Walmart . . . wherever.
The only New Testament book we know was commanded be written by God was Revelation.
The New Testament was written when the original Apostles and disciples realized that Jesus was not coming back in their lifetimes. The Holy Spirit guided by the promise of Jesus protected them from writing error, and then under that same promise guided the Church to know which books are Scriptural.
Thanks be to the Holy Spirit.
OK, pretending that there is NO scriptural backing for the three doctrines you reference, if I believe them and everything else that the Church teaches, does that make me not a Christian? Unable to be saved?
As for your ‘tras’ bucket, why? Are you unwilling to let your denomination’s confession of faith stand up to scrutiny?
I hear this claim of ADDING to Scripture all the time, but what did the Catholic Church add?
Yeah, why check directly with the Catholic Church about what it teaches, what it means, and why. That would make too hard to spin and impugn.
Look, you are entitled to your own opinion as to what your church teaches and means and even to your observations about what Catholics may or may not do in practice, but it is pathological idiocy to exclude the Church from consideration when investigating its doctrines and dogma.
Yet the anti-Catholics continue to do, ad naseum, as a foil to the actual words from the Vatican sites and the testimony of life long, formally educated Catholics. It only proves that the anti-Cathilics are more concerned about who is right instead of what is right.
What are the doctrines that you believe that somehow contradict a doctrine that the Catholic Church teaches?
Very true. Only blasphemous cults attempt to demand God needs them for His Word to have power, veracity, or justification. Ever notice how those who seek a human organization to provide justification for God’s Word, also fail to recognize His Sovereignty, while counterfeiting their own substitute?
Okay, Paul had been preaching for what, 20 years at this point and had had repeated trips to Jerusalem. The excerpts I posted from Galatians indicate that Paul was indeed subordinate to the Council temporally. And in Galatians 2: says that he presented his gospel to the Council and they approved it.
Because Gal. 1:11,12 tell you why. He received his gospel from revelation of Jesus Christ. He was only subordinate to Jesus Christ.Not to Peter, the 11, or the Council.
I think that you are confusing temporal subordination with theological subordination, and as Galatians 2 says, Paul presented his material to the Council for approval.
Jesus Christ, in His commission given to Peter and the 11, instructs them to "teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 28:19).
They were to begin their ministry in Jerusalem. Then they were to wait, before witnessing, for the power of the Holy Spirit to be poured out on them. The power of the Spirit came upon them on the day of Pentecost. Peter's great Pentecostal message was declared to a large contingent of Jews from many countries who had gathered at Jerusalem to observe the feast of Pentecost.
Acts 2 and 3 mark the beginning of the harvest for Israel. It is the preparing of the Jewish people for the times of restitution when Jesus Christ will come to earth the second time. (see Acts 3:19-21).
But Israel rejected once again Christ's claim for Messiah. Peter and the 11 are still in Jerusalem, per Christ's command that their ministry begin there before going to the nations.
Forward to Stephen, Acts 8. Israel is ONCE again offered the chance to repent, and Christ will return, but they wail and gnash, and stone Stephen to death. They reject Christ's offer once again.
Chapter 9 is the raising up of Paul. And the revelations given to him by Jesus Christ.
So something new is happening here...Israel has rejected Christ's offer 3 times now. Paul is saved and given a NEW message. Peter has a vision in Chapter 11 about the message given to him from Christ now going to the Gentiles. OK. now we have Israel NOT accepting the Kingdom Gospel, Peter and the 11 aren't to go to the nations until Israel accepts Christ's offer, and now he has a vision concerning Gentiles. It's not a NEW revelation, he knew from Christ that at some point they would be going to the gentiles with the Kingdom Gospel, but some gentiles ARE receiving the Kingdom Gospel and believing it without Israel accepting it first. Peter and the 11 were given the Gospel of the Kingdom to preach, directly from Jesus Christ and they did exactly what they were instructed to do.
Paul, in the meantime, is saved and given the Gospel of the Grace of God, directly from the Ascended Jesus Christ. Why would this be happening?
By Acts 28, Israel has been set aside. The Gospel of the Kingdom has been put in abeyance. Israel has been blinded, until the fulness of the Gentiles has been brought in. The Gospel of the Grace of God, the One New Man, and the Church the Body of Christ has been given to Paul, by Jesus Christ. It is a new dispensation.
Acts is a transition period. From law to grace, from the Kingdom Gospel to the Gospel of the Grace of God, from a kingdom of believers to a Body of believers. From Peter and the 11's Great Commission to Paul's Commission of Grace. Both from Jesus Christ directly and both performed exactly as Christ had told each of them.
Of course not. I think salvation is open to all faithful, practicing Catholics.
As for your ‘tras’ bucket, why? Are you unwilling to let your denomination’s confession of faith stand up to scrutiny?
There are too many on FR who exist for one purpose only and that is to ridicule anyone who believes differently than they do. This does not include you but it does include a substantial number of your compatriots.
My tag says it all.
The Development of the Old Testament Canon
An interesting document. An even more interesting site. Thank you. I shall give it all the consideration that it deserves.
I think salvation is open to all faithful, practicing Catholics.Good. I do wonder how a self proclaimed "unitarian" can accept the Trinitarian dogmatic view of t us Catholics but I welcome your words. As for those who live to demean, today's Gospel speaks to them.
Oh, is that what he was implying? LOL! Leave it to them - that’s their mindset! Thanks.
Kinda shows how they have no knowledge of the Power of The Word. They see it as a book.
That is all I am willing to discuss at this time.
As a FOIL? You hoist yourselves from the actual words from the Vatican sites and the testimonies of life long, formally educated Catholics. It's the Vatican's own words that do the hoisting.
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