Posted on 07/02/2010 7:42:20 AM PDT by ZGuy
Thank you so very much for sharing your testimony and insights, dear brother in Christ!
You specifically laid the blame on the RCC. America is a free country. Each of us is free to follow the religious beliefs of our choice. What we are not free to do is to alter the facts in service to our respective beliefs.
My brother in Christ! We Catholics should feel humbled by that tribute. God bless you and yours.
I’m at a loss in understanding what it means to God that a child is a bastard. I mean, clearly there’s the sin of the parents. And presumably there’s a psychological cost to the child. But how, in your view, would the child’s relationship to God be affected?
One may not like the God of the Bible and prefer the God of Catholicism but the one we all face on Judgement day is the God of the bible.
The truth is the catholic church made "annulment" up out of whole cloth so they could allow divorce and still seem to be against divorce .
God will not be mocked
“The truth is the catholic church made “annulment” up out of whole cloth so they could allow divorce and still seem to be against divorce .”
You are clueless. Sad and clueless.
“God will not be mocked.”
Then please stop.
Prove to me that it is biblical and then we will talk..
ROTFLMAO! Prove what? That mistakes happen? That marriage contracts have specific requirements? That some are void on the face and that others are voidable? Get a basic education in things like contract law, basic Christianity and even a short course in civility then get back to me.
Read RnMomof7 most recent spew. Too funny!
Deu 23:2 — A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
I do not care what a man think..what does God say ?
Show me God giving the church permission to nullify vows to Him
The we can talk
No need to talk to an illiterate heretic - the Holy Writ is clear. If you have eyes, read Matthew 18:18.
1) There is no scripture telling us that the apostles could "pass on" any of the gifts that were given for the foundation of the church..There is no apostolic succession in the scriptures , Jesus never gave the apostles the right to give away what He gave to them specifically .
2 This scripture is about ecclesiastical authority, it refers to things like excommunication , not telling God that he no longer recognizes that union
Mar 10:9 — What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
"annulment", like divorce breaks the marriage contract and makes the man or woman an adulterer ...
Good answer. Do you think it applies in the new covenant?
As to the binding and loosing and forgiving and retaining charisms, in your view, what is special about the Apostles or their time or situation that would make the gifts appropriate for them, but not for later generations of the Church?
That's a real question; I'm not setting up a trap.
Do I think that a bastard should not enter the church for 10 generations??
God says He is the God that changes not..He still despises the illegitimate but being in the church never saved anyone.....
Scripture indicates that God sees the unsaved as bastards and an illegitimate child that has repented and believed as sons
Hbr 12:8 — But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Under the New Covenant all the unsaved are in a sense “bastards”. But we should not lose sight of the fact that God does make a distinction between the legitimate and the illegitimate so dissolving the legitimacy of a marriage does have spiritual consequences.
i would argue the church has no authority to call what God has called holy and blessed illegitimate.God never breaks a covenant,so I do not think the church has that authority either..
Still illiterate, so sad.
God honors a vow taken to Him, which is what constitutes a marriage.. He is not a covenant breaker. God made no provision in scripture, nor did He indicate that there was any such thing as an invalid marriage.
As to the binding and loosing and forgiving and retaining charisms, in your view, what is special about the Apostles or their time or situation that would make the gifts appropriate for them, but not for later generations of the Church?
The Apostles had special gifts like healing and miracles and other privileges to act as a verification of the truth of the gospel and evangelization ... No provision is found in scripture that allows others than the 12 to exercise those gifts . No provision was given to "pass" them on.
Once the scriptures were written there was an infallible word written that had the power to convert men ...the special gifts were no longer necessary , if they were there would be evidence of the a ability to "transfer" the gifts..no such scripture exists..
No answer huh?
Having answered you and seen your illiterate and ahistoric response, I simply laugh now at your display of deliberate ignorance. Your denial of thousands of years of historical truth leads me to conclude you are either a Hubbard follower or a delusional Mormon.
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