Posted on 06/09/2010 7:23:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
So why do so many Catholics have abortions?
I would like to see the lab results of people who think abstinence is so simple. I’m guessing their Sex Binding Hormone Globulin (SBHG) is very low along with their serum T levels. Every individual feels the intensity of sexual attraction according to their hormone levels. We are not the same, something easy for one individual is nearly impossible for others.
Deadly serious.
Imagine how different the world would be if everyone had twice as many children.
How would that impact my life growing up?
My wife and I taught NFP for 10 years.
NFP + sanctifying grace = success.
The attitude that puts recreation before procreation - that puts one's own desires above doing what is right.
Then that is their God-given right to "hurt" themselves.
Interesting choice of words.
No one has the "right" to disobey God.
They have the freedom to, but no such "right" to do wrong exists.
Anything else disregards the very foundation of liberty.
What is the "foundation of liberty"? The freedom to do evil? Where does liberty come from?
Because they’re...sinners?
Our world would be a $hithole devoid of resources capable of sustaining society. Look at the massive poverty in overpopulous countries like China or India or the entire continent of Africa.
What are you talking about????
It ain't easy, but being a Christian disciple never is.
So, in other words, brain chemistry is destiny and exercising self-control is a pointless pursuit?
The fact is that living in society without going to prison requires a very high degree of constant self-control.
Our current cultural environment teaches us that abandoning self-control in sexual situations is perfectly fine, even laudable - but that abandoning self-control with regard to parking is deeply wrong and punishable by fines and even imprisonment.
This environment is a social construct in which certain values are consciously reinforced and encouraged while others are discouraged and punished.
I’m a happily married man of 17yrs with one child. I would have liked to have had more but it didn’t work out that way. We practiced contraception most of those years and each time we attempted a pregnancy we succeeded. I don’t understand this aversion to family planning according to ones ability to support their family.
Sounds like he's referring to abortion.
I'll respond to your post with a paraphrase of a comment I just made on Kopp's other thread...
One of the differences between Protestants and Roman Catholics is that Protestants can hold a variety of positions on matters that are not Scripturally-mandated.
Unlike RCs who are given a laundry list of insignificant, capricious do's and don'ts, inevitably missing the forest that is salvation by Christ alone for the trees of good works and presumed piety.
Barrier contraception is not antithetical to Biblical Christianity. Rome just wants more seats in the pews.
Hopefully husbands and wives will have as many children as they can happily raise since children are the greatest joy any human being can know.
And as my mother always told me, we don't decide when to have our children. God decides. They are from Him.
No, its not purposely non-procreative. Neither is marital relations after menopause.
I have been saying precisely the opposite - namely that we all have the capacity to freely choose to do evil.
If it doesn't encroach on another person's liberties then yes.
This is begging the question.
I asked if the foundation of liberty was the freedom to evil.
Your response is that it is "if it doesn't encroach on another person's liberties."
You can't define liberty by using liberty as one of the terms in your definition.
You spoke of the "foundation of liberty" - I ask again, what is the foundation of liberty?
I'll point out that it cannot possibly be the freedom to do evil, because even in societies which are widely considered to possess almost no liberty at all - North Korea, Saudi Arabia - there is complete freedom to very evil things. In fact, the frequency and intensity of the evil done to people by their fellow men is a hallmark of those societies.
That's an impressive exercise in radical hermeneutics.
Barrier contraception is not antithetical to Biblical Christianity.
Of course it is. The entire message of Scripture regarding fertility is entirely opposed to contraception.
Rome just wants more seats in the pews.
If Rome wanted more seats in the pews, then all Rome would need to do is to abandon traditional Christian moral teaching and embrace popular notions of morality. Going with the crowd will always produce more followers than imposing inconvenient rules.
And as my mother always told me, we don't decide when to have our children. God decides. They are from Him.
Then why use contraception ever? Let God decide.
If what your mother said was true, such deliberate interference is either completely useless and therefore unnecessary - or it is godless.
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