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One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic: Marks of the Church Building as well as the Church Herself
The New Liturgical Movement ^ | June 8, 2010 | Matthew Alderman

Posted on 06/08/2010 5:02:05 PM PDT by Desdemona

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This is actually a review of another article found at Latin Mass Magazine. There is an iframe at the bottom of the article with the full text for those interested. I just thought these comments on the four marks of the Church demonstrated in actual architecture was interesting.
1 posted on 06/08/2010 5:02:06 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona

Early churches met in homes.

I don’t think the building should be anything great. The Church is not the building, it’s the Body of Believers that occasionally use it.


2 posted on 06/08/2010 5:04:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: Desdemona

bump. hope it’s worth reading later.


3 posted on 06/08/2010 5:09:57 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we shall overcome a generation of affirmative action.)
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To: ConservativeMind
I don’t think the building should be anything great. The Church is not the building, it’s the Body of Believers that occasionally use it.

I'll bet you buy generic food, too. And won't you be happy when you can get all your nutrition from a tasteless pill?

But for the human race, the eternal is embodied in our art, whatever the medium, and our Holy Church will have the our holiest efforts.

4 posted on 06/08/2010 5:11:28 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we shall overcome a generation of affirmative action.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

You put your efforts into a building.

Those who are wise will put their efforts into His People.


5 posted on 06/08/2010 5:14:35 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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I don’t think the building should be anything great. The Church is not the building, it’s the Body of Believers that occasionally use it.

The church building should inspire one to Heaven with beauty through art and architecture. I've heard the whole "church is the people line" for decades and, frankly, I need the beauty, which is why I belong to a parish which is one of the great cathedrals of the world. To think that artists create beauty in the name of God for the inspiration of the rest of us is a heady thought.

6 posted on 06/08/2010 5:16:28 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: ConservativeMind
You put your efforts into a building. Those who are wise will put their efforts into His People.

I know better than to argue with a refrigerator.

Pax.

7 posted on 06/08/2010 5:16:30 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we shall overcome a generation of affirmative action.)
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To: Desdemona
St. John CantiusNothing less than this for me! :):)
8 posted on 06/08/2010 5:19:54 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Is there more to the story, daddy?")
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I'm not up on posting photos, but you can see an online tour of our beloved Cathedral here:

http://cathedralstl.org/site/index.php?option=com_xegalleryxl&Itemid=47

9 posted on 06/08/2010 5:25:36 PM PDT by Desdemona
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that certainly would feed a LOT of hungry people. and clothe them. and give them health. and shelter. and hope. and the Gospel of their salvation. But we all know that God is more impressed with buildings made by hands./S


10 posted on 06/08/2010 5:30:52 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( I take no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Pride, yes.Pleasure, no.)
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To: Desdemona

quote “The church building should inspire one to Heaven with beauty through art and architecture...frankly, I need the beauty”

You appear to live your life like Thomas: John 20:29 “Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”

The Apostle Paul warns us: in 2 Corinthians 4:18 “While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are NOT SEEN: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are NOT SEEN are eternal.

Faith is not seen, Biblical faith is never the beauty of art and architecture: Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN.

Therefore, that which you said you need, “I need the beauty”: it is that which is SEEN: the things which are seen are temporal; the things which are NOT SEEN are eternal (2 Corinthians 4:18). Is that cathedral eternal? Are those man made arts and architecture eternal?


11 posted on 06/08/2010 5:39:38 PM PDT by bibletruth
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The Cathedral Basilica of Saint LouisBeautiful!! The Cathedral Basilica of Saint Louis.
12 posted on 06/08/2010 5:40:32 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Is there more to the story, daddy?")
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To: small voice in the wilderness
"that certainly would feed a LOT of hungry people. and clothe them. and give them health. and shelter. and hope. and the Gospel of their salvation. But we all know that God is more impressed with buildings made by hands"

Don't you think those who were paid to build and create benefited?

13 posted on 06/08/2010 5:49:43 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: small voice in the wilderness
that certainly would feed a LOT of hungry people.

So would selling the local First Baptist Church.

They could build another church - but selling it would feed still more hungry. And on and on.. But the poor we would still have with us.

You don't create a place of worship instead of charity. And whatever I have I would make the place of worship of the best and most beautiful and most sacred I possibly could. Particularly for the Blessed Eucharist.

I can understand if you feel different. Whatever floats your boat is fine with me.

14 posted on 06/08/2010 5:53:00 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Natural Law

I’m sure they did. But I stand by my prior post. NONE would have benefitted more than those in need. Spiritual accessories and wall murals have never saved anyone. ANYONE>


15 posted on 06/08/2010 5:54:35 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( I take no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Pride, yes.Pleasure, no.)
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I agree. Selling the local First Baptist Church would feed more hungry. And on and on. Because the Church the Body of Christ is NOT a building made with hands.


16 posted on 06/08/2010 5:57:31 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( I take no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Pride, yes.Pleasure, no.)
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that certainly would feed a LOT of hungry people. and clothe them. and give them health. and shelter. and hope. and the Gospel of their salvation. But we all know that God is more impressed with buildings made by hands./S
I missed your end-sarc tag originally, but for others ...
Mary took a liter of costly perfumed oil made from genuine aromatic nard and anointed the feet of Jesus and dried them with her hair; the house was filled with the fragrance of the oil. Then Judas the Iscariot, one [of] his disciples, and the one who would betray him, said, "Why was this oil not sold for three hundred days' wages and given to the poor?" He said this not because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief and held the money bag and used to steal the contributions. So Jesus said, "Leave her alone. Let her keep this for the day of my burial. You always have the poor with you, but you do not always have me." --John 12:3-8

17 posted on 06/08/2010 6:02:50 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Is there more to the story, daddy?")
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To: mlizzy

What a little cutie!


18 posted on 06/08/2010 6:03:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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What a little cutie!
She really is :) ... here's photos from one of St. John's Pentecost Masses ... St. John Cantius.
19 posted on 06/08/2010 6:08:17 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Is there more to the story, daddy?")
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that’s a very interesting verse. Are you saying that you are building your monuments for Christ’s burial? Because that is LITERALLY what he was saying. You do know that Christ has arisen. He is no longer on the cross. Suffering. He has defeated death. He has no need of funeral costs now.


20 posted on 06/08/2010 6:08:46 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness ( I take no pleasure in saying "I told you so". Pride, yes.Pleasure, no.)
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