Hoping and Praying for Gog and Magog to Attack

American Vision ^ | June 7, 2010 | Gary DeMar

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what would have happened if they had accepted Christ?

I don't know.

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well, some did, I wonder what happened to them?

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well, some did, I wonder what happened to them?

I'm sorry, but you're being a little too vague.

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Reading Paul, you see that the olive tree which refers symbolically to the Jews, had the dead branches broken off, and the gentile believers grafted in. Thus, as promised, a remnant was once again saved, and together there is now one Israel, not two.

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They were the remnant saved, they provided the root onto which the gentile believers were grafted

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Reading Paul, you see that the olive tree which refers symbolically to the Jews, had the dead branches broken off, and the gentile believers grafted in. Thus, as promised, a remnant was once again saved, and together there is now one Israel, not two.

Amen!!!

I don't understand how dispensationalists get around the clear meaning of the New Testament...

"For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." -- 2 Corinthians 3:10-17

"That which is abolished." Dispensationalists deny the old covenant was abolished by Christ. They deny that...

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." -- Hebrews 8:13

And I don't get it.

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Great post. Partially blinded, not fully blinded.

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Reading Paul, you see that the olive tree which refers symbolically to the Jews, had the dead branches broken off, and the gentile believers grafted in.

But this doesn't mean that God is done with Israel. It means we've been blessed to be grafted in. All the branches weren't destroyed.

Also, if God is done with Israel why return to Israel and why create a new Jerusalem with 12 gates leading into it named for the 12 tribes of Israel?

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Dispensationalists put themselves into the same boat as the Jews who were and still are, looking for a literal Messiah and an earthly kingdom. Well that boat anin’t leaving the harbor, the ship has sailed

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Again discern Israel

One Seed, not seeds

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I’d have to see your verse and the context. The Jerusalem above is the mother of us all. Does the heavenly Jerusalem have 12 gates? Probably, but Jesus is the true gate and the way is narrow

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Dispensationalists deny the old covenant was abolished by Christ.

What old covenant are you referring to? The promises made to Abraham, or the Mosaic covenant?

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I’d have to see your verse and the context. The Jerusalem above is the mother of us all. Does the heavenly Jerusalem have 12 gates?

Rev.21:12...wall with twelve gates,...and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

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Christ fulfilled both of those. The Mosaic covenant was a legal one and depended on keeping the Law and the people’s obedience, and we all know how that turned out.

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Dispensationalists put themselves into the same boat as the Jews who were and still are, looking for a literal Messiah and an earthly kingdom. Well that boat anin’t leaving the harbor, the ship has sailed

Yep. And now any race or nationality can book passage to salvation, no national I.D. cards nor blood test required.

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Christ fulfilled both of those.

Amen!

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all." -- Ephesians 1:22-23

Past tense.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"Regnum Caelorum: Patterns of Millennial Thought in Early Christianity."

In reading back through these threads, this book you referenced looks really interesting and Christmas is coming. Thanks for the tip!

[Lee N. Field]

"Regnum Caelorum: Patterns of Millennial Thought in Early Christianity."

In reading back through these threads, this book you referenced looks really interesting and Christmas is coming. Thanks for the tip!

It's both a bit pricey for a casual purchase, and a bit dry. I ended up getting a decent price from an Amazon alternate vendor, but I'm not seeing anything much cheaper than Amazon's price now.

Regnum Caelorum is a nail in the coffin lid of dispensationalism's weird little mis-history of the early church. ("They were just like us!" No, they really weren't.) But, you can lead a dispensationalist to a text, but you can't make him read.

I've got so much to read. Currently working through the brand new Word, Water and Spirit by J. V. Fesko, on baptism.