Posted on 05/26/2010 12:45:13 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood
Ping! Need to remember that keyword, too.
Isaiah had no idea that his prophecy in chapter 53 concerned Jesus. Israel thought it referred to it and to this day that is what the Jews believe, yet without knowing the mind of God concerning the prophecy, Isaiah was faithful to the call. That is what Peter is getting at and that is what Jonah did; he was faithful to God’s word without being privy to the complete mind of God in the matter.
I find that very hard to believe that Isaiah didn’t know who the prophecy was about, but then again John the Baptist had to check with the Lord to make sure Jesus was the one who was sent.
I think that is another very fascinating problem with prophecy that I wish I had the time to get into, but more interested in the “you repented so my prophecy of doom didn’t come true” argument that modern “small p” prophets of the NAR do so much. That’s why Jonah is more interesting to me at the moment than the larger, more powerful messianic problem you posed.
I just maintain that God would never trick us. Amos does say that
“The Lord God never does anything in secret
without first revealing what He does to His servants the prophets.”
Another huge issue that I have had to fight my way to sanity on with these NAR types is the issue of the OT Office of the Prophet. Which died out at Pentecost. Now, all are to be “ambitious to prophesy”
“with these NAR types”
I am not familiar with this term.
My understanding of the scripture is that the office of prophecy in the church is one able to discern the times and apply the word of God to it; i.e. he speaks God’s word to the times. It is not private or personal; it is an office given to the church to equip the saints for the work of the ministry.
In the OT, there was a “school of the prophet” or “disciples of the prophet” that would walk around with the OT Prophet and be discipled by him.
Elijah had Elisha and the others in his school.
This is the reason that John the Baptist had his “disciples” — it was the OT Office of the Prophet that was recognized as the way men were taught by someone with an anointing.
It is even the reason that Jesus had His disciples...
But it all changed at Pentecost, when suddenly the gift of God to be inside a person was now a free gift to all men...
i.e., “and the Holy Spirit will teach you all things” and “you will no longer need men to teach you”...
were the signs by which Jesus let people know that there was no longer a the formal “Old Testament Office of the Prophet” as had previously been in place before “all are to be ambitious to prophesy” in the NT church.
I think a lot of this is because of the rise of the NAR false prophets in the modern charismatic church... who by the way, consider themselves ON PAR with the OT Prophets of the Bible who WROTE the word of God.
NAR is described partially above.
I haven’t read your whole doc.
Some Freepers as well as some of my current congregation are being brought closer to God and being healed miraculously through the 24/7 prayer/worship ministry at Kansas City I-HOP and through a local house of prayer which has their live webcast on nightly in their prayer room.
I’ve heard Mike B preach and minister and have observed God to move through him with a powerful anointing.
I wouldn’t believe he’s necessarily any more flawless or perfect than anyone else currently.
I do believe God is going to clean up the Christian prophetic field a lot more than it currently is now.
However, even with all their flaws, they are seeing far more people around the world saved, healed, delivered than probably their 20 most vocal detractors combined.
Evidently, God has a different opinion.
Certainly, God uses foolish things to confound the wise.
Other than that, I’m not that interested in wading into all the specifics of the rocks thrown at that ministry.
Quix, thanks.
Quix, I didn't know you were a Kansas City promulgator or adherent to NAR teachings.
Read this guy's stuff. Especially google Tricia Tillen’s stuff. Also Bill Randles all have lived through and made same assessments about the counterfeits of the NAR.
Bickle was deceived by Bob Jones and never figured it out, even after the Lord told Bickle that “he would be deceived by a major false prophet”.
Thus the Berean call against the NAR. .
So, what is N.A.R.?
Thanks for the ping!
You signed up as twolegsgood [or is it twogoodlegs?] on FR 18 days ago?
And your freeper page says, ‘back to just try to discuss Christian charismatic issues.’
So you’re baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack, whoever you are.
Pancakes n’ Jesus... That’s what I was thinkin’...
I am so disappointed.
Every day the slogans would change in ANIMAL FARM for the dim witted animals who did all the work for the pigs.
At first the slogans were “Four legs good, Two legs bad!” The pigs who were in control were trying to get all the animals to murder and do away with all humans.
ANIMAL FARM and Orwell's 1984 are essential readings in these times.
Back to the NAR, I pm’d you. But it is all over the internet.
Ooops, meant to write correctly
Two Legs Good
which, in the first part of the story, was “Two Legs Bad!” in Animal Farm, as the animals start forgetting last week’s propaganda slogan.
Almost how in NAR churches, people start forgetting last Sunday’s ‘prophetic words” spoken over them in their quest for a new “word” for the day.
ANIMAL FARM is a satire on the evils of communism. I’ve noted a lot of Orwellian evil in the NAR as well.
New Apostolic Reformation
Thanks for this info.
I am a born-again Christian who is Spirit-filled.
I am weary of many people teetering very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit by saying some of His gifts are of the devil.
I do realize that the devil comes as an angel of light and is working to deceive as many as he can.
However, I am NOT willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I appreciate your concern.
I agree, true biblical discernment is needed.
Joya
New Apostolic Reformation
Thanks for this info.
I am a born-again Christian who is Spirit-filled.
I am weary of many people teetering very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit by saying some of His gifts are of the devil.
I do realize that the devil comes as an angel of light and is working to deceive as many as he can.
However, I am NOT willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
I appreciate your concern.
I agree, true biblical discernment is needed.
Joya
Joya just remember what the Lord says:
“Ye shall know them by their fruits”...
He did not say “ye shall know them by their gifts”.
Signs and wonders also must be put to the test of spirits.
If we are not Bereans in this end time, we will be deceived.
I will remember that.
I will also avoid blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
I will also avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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