Posted on 05/14/2010 11:03:45 AM PDT by NYer
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Caught in Their Own Nets
Bummer!
That is not what the Catholic Church tells us either. OPC'ers assume to know what the Catholic Church teaches, but haven't got a clue. Why do you persist in stating what the Church says when you have no basis for establishing an opinion and no apparent objective to be accurate?
Looks like Christianity is exclusionary.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: But the narrow gate and the road that lead to life are full of trouble. Only a few people find the narrow gate.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I'm hopeful. He told his wife who told mine who told me (like that grapevine?) he really enjoyed the conversation. Maybe it's that seed thing. It's not like we've stopped talking, next time around I'll bring up why Scripture is true.
You have to try again. If what you say is true, Christ was lying when he said the following:
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. John 6:53-56
But you say the flesh means nothing. You are wrong.
The following obviously contradicts Dr. Eckleburg's assertion that the Church determines salvation by doling out its sacraments. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
The purpose of the sacraments is to sanctify men, to build up the Body of Christ and, finally, to give worship to God. Because they are signs they also instruct. They not only presuppose faith, but by words and objects they also nourish, strengthen, and express it. That is why they are called 'sacraments of faith.
This is the meaning of the Church's affirmation that the sacraments act ex opere operato (literally: "by the very fact of the action's being performed"), i.e., by virtue of the saving work of Christ, accomplished once for all. It follows that "the sacrament is not wrought by the righteousness of either the celebrant or the recipient, but by the power of God." From the moment that a sacrament is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and his Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister. Nevertheless, the fruits of the sacraments also depend on the disposition of the one who receives them.
Ahh... And therein lies the crux, yes?
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(e-sword: KJV)
It is the very same sort of legalism that is often applied to salvation: Men believing they have authority over the souls of other men, when God Himself declares it otherwise.
The outward appearance of things is *not* what is really good and right - the beggar in rags is lifted up as being more righteous than the pharisee... The thief on the cross is assured of life by nothing more than his heartfelt confession.
By what authority can anyone deny a man the Cup of Christ, lest they know his heart - Something no man can claim to do. That is the Father's domain.
Great post. Thanks.
Just to be clear, I’m saying that “the flesh profits nothing” refers to something other than eating the flesh of Christ, which is the bread turned into his actual flesh.
Any time they all become so intellectually lazy that there even is a 'mainstream' position on anything, it has to be wrong. When there is 'consensus' there is no science.
Jesus Christ said “the flesh profiteth nothing.”
You want to cling to the pagan catholic distortion of what the Lord really said, so that you can believe that the actions of another can seal your salvation, but the Lord said otherwise, as recorded in that chapter; he said “it is spirit.”
“other than eating the flesh of Christ, which is the bread turned into his actual flesh.”
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Blasphemy!
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John 6:63
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
God also said He created everyhing after it's own kind...Thus, eliminating the theory of evolution...
Science will never prove evolution nor anything that contradicts the word of God...
But keep trying...It gives you something to idle away your time with...
No there isn't...All doctrine was established by the time the Apostle John said, 'Even so, come Lord Jesus'...
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