Posted on 05/09/2010 8:03:40 AM PDT by truthfinder9
In that case, we should have seen that with every successive generation, the life expectancy drop almost exponentially, or by a subtractive component whose value increases exponentially, but we don’t. In fact, the opposite is dramatically evident.
Where is anybody getting their information from to make a decision about what the truth is? From "reading" scripture.
I find it interesting that while you say there is no real difference in our beliefs, then we must share the belief that no one man knows any more about God than any other. Yet you offer answers to any questions I may have. How does that happen?At this point, you are the one making the statements you don't know about God. It seems you ignore the evidence which is there, and then make some statement about people defining truth in different ways, which makes absolutely no sense. We have a definition for truth.
People who make their own definition of "Truth" are only deceiving themselves.
I defined Truth as it was given. At this point, the definition I gave you of "Truth" stands. Others can disagree, but they would be saying that statement is a lie. Do you think it's a lie?
What about the self-evidence we talked about?
No, I think it’s the truth as you believe it to be.
I happen to think that God is quite capable of giving each of us our own individual truth, which may or may not differ with someone else’s.
You’ll have to explain what you mean. How exactly does trusting something, have anything to do with verification?
If I trust in God and consider that verification, then how does that verify anything to someone that believes differently than me?
The action is performed by God, not by trust.
By trusting in Him, He verifies the meaning in us.
He is the object with veracity, not our thinking independent of or by judging Him.
So what happens when two people of different faiths trust in God? Are the meanings for both of them verified?
Only the faith which is true, through faith in Christ.
If this can only be verified through faith, we’re pretty much at a circular place, aren’t we?
No one that is of a specific faith, can show someone of a different faith, that their faith is the true one because it would require the same faith to believe it. Is that about it?
Can you give me an example of this so I can make sure I understand where you are coming from?
Jesus said He is the Truth. That is the ultimate definition of what "Truth" is. The only thing you can do is believe this is as reality, or a lie. God never says he gives individuals different truths. What is true for one is true for all. IOW, God is not I AM for some, and I AM NOT for others.
When you really think about it giving individuals different truth would be so convoluted it would make no sense unless you were trying to lead people astray. However, I might be misinterpreting the point you are making, so I'll wait for your response.
I,too,was confused with “individual truth”. Truth does not have “versions”. It simply IS.
Only one can provide it anyways. That’s God Himself. Leave it in His hands. Stop trying to prove Him to Him. The object of our faith, in our thinking is Him, not us.
No I can’t, it’s a belief I have, one of the things I mentioned that I cannot substantiate.
Obviously it is not the only thing I can believe. Perhaps you believe what is true for one, is true for all. I don’t, as I’ve said a number of times. I believe God is for all, individually.
I do not question what God does that sometimes does not make sense to me. I doubt I could understand much of the what and why of God.
That’s exactly what I do, I leave it in His hands.
Apparently, we are different.
Alright. But I'm not asking you to substantiate your belief. Why do you believe it? What have you seen, heard, or felt which leads you to conclude God gives a different truth to each individual? Is it innate?
Which is exactly the point. We are all different. God remains just, fair, and unchanging. We cannot count on ourselves or others. But we can depend on God's unwaivering justice and mercy.
Isn’t explaining why, essentially the same thing as substantiating it? I’ve never felt a need to come to a conclusion, as it’s just what I’ve always believed. It seems natural, seeing how each of us are God’s individual creations and what seems OK to some, doesn’t to others.
I do not know that God remains unchanging, so I cannot say if He does or not.
As we agree, we are all different. We are His unique creations. Why would His changing or not have anything to do with how He decides to create us? Why can’t we continue to depend on Him, whether He gives us individual truths or not?
Well said!
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