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Why Young Catholics Are Leaving the Church
Inside Catholic ^ | May 7, 2010 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 05/07/2010 8:18:15 AM PDT by NYer

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To: NYer
"Evangelize at all times; when necessary, use words," St. Francis of Assisi is known to have said

That is an urban legend.. He never said that ..and Than God for that because scripture tells us to go and TELL not go and DO

------------------This is a great quote, very Franciscan in its spirit, but not literally from St. Francis. The thought is his; this catchy phrasing is not in his writings or in the earliest biographies about him.
In Chapter XVII of his Rule of 1221, Francis told the friars not to preach unless they had received the proper permission to do so. Then he added, "Let all the brothers, however, preach by their deeds. link

Actually Francis was a great preacher and took the gospel out to the world

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21 posted on 05/07/2010 8:53:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: TSgt

LOL! TSgt, do you sometimes get the feeling that when you confront someone here about something they said that’s personal to others, they tell you not to make it personal. Of course they are setting the rules to suit themselves. Real objective, huh?


22 posted on 05/07/2010 8:53:52 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: RnMomof7

Wow, I didn’t know you were an admirer of St. Francis. There’s hope for you yet! ;-)


23 posted on 05/07/2010 8:55:09 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Alex Murphy

What are Presbyterian confessions? Maybe Hewitt should learn to play the piano..it uses both the left and right brain.


24 posted on 05/07/2010 8:55:36 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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What are Presbyterian confessions?
"In 1648, the first printing of the Larger and Shorter Catechisms of the Westminster Assembly were made available for distribution and sale in England and Scotland. They remain the clearest expressions of Reformed Protestantism ever formulated..."

- May 13, This Week in Religion History

Confession and Catechisms [introduction to the Westminster Confession of Faith]

The Westminster Confession of Faith
[from the Orthodox Presbyterian Church website]
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scripture
Chapter 2: Of God, and of the Holy Trinity
Chapter 3: Of God’s Eternal Decree
Chapter 4: Of Creation
Chapter 5: Of Providence
Chapter 6: Of the Fall of Man, of Sin, and of the Punishment Thereof
Chapter 7: Of God’s Covenant with Man
Chapter 8: Of Christ the Mediator
Chapter 9: Of Free Will
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
Chapter 11: Of Justification
Chapter 12: Of Adoption
Chapter 13: Of Sanctification
Chapter 14: Of Saving Faith
Chapter 15: Of Repentance unto Life
Chapter 16: Of Good Works
Chapter 17: Of the Perseverance of the Saints
Chapter 18: Of the Assurance of Grace and Salvation
Chapter 19: Of the Law of God
Chapter 20: Of Christian Liberty and Liberty of Conscience
Chapter 21: Of Religious Worship and the Sabbath Day
Chapter 22: Of Lawful Oaths and Vows
Chapter 23: Of the Civil Magistrate
Chapter 24: Of Marriage and Divorce
Chapter 25: Of the Church
Chapter 26: Of the Communion of Saints
Chapter 27: Of the Sacraments
Chapter 28: Of Baptism
Chapter 29: Of the Lord’s Supper
Chapter 30: Of Church Censures
Chapter 31: Of Synods and Councils
Chapter 32: Of the State of Men after Death, and of the Resurrection of the Dead
Chapter 33: Of the Last Judgment

25 posted on 05/07/2010 8:58:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Pretentiousness is so beneath me.)
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To: rj45mis

It is also against the rules to go off topic..quit the drama.


26 posted on 05/07/2010 8:58:37 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Alex Murphy

Thank-you.


27 posted on 05/07/2010 8:59:43 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Judith Anne
Oh, I know plenty of very rational evangelicals; people I like, and who I work with.

I have to come to the other poster's defense on this one. That certainly wasn't clear in your prior remark regarding "the crazed evangelicals", so it is understandable that the other poster would misinterpret. I did at first as well and was offended by the remark, it sure felt like a personal attack to me, and an unprovoked one at that.

Making it personal is against the rules, BTW.

If you can't stand the heat, then don't light the flame.

28 posted on 05/07/2010 9:03:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: NYer

Hugh Hewitt left the Catholic Church because it was just too hard.

It’s so much easier to do and believe whatever your neighbors believe whether you live in Nazi Germany or pre-Columbian Central America, rather than be a sign of contradiction.


29 posted on 05/07/2010 9:03:38 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: Alex Murphy

Can you lead me to where it speaks about abortion?


30 posted on 05/07/2010 9:11:47 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: NYer
Last year he left the Catholic Church in large part because of his homosexuality. But his decision should not be dismissed as a convenient act of self-justification.

BS. It's always about sex, whether it's homosexuals, unmarried hetero's who refuse to be chaste or married's who insist on practicing contraception. In order to justify our own sinful acts, many people refuse to condemn the sinful acts of others. No one wants to feel guilt or shame for their acts. It's much easier to justify themselves by refusing to recognize sin in others.

32 posted on 05/07/2010 9:13:09 AM PDT by MayfairFly
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To: rj45mis

Oh really...I read the rules, the religious moderators reiterate those rules continually on these religious threads...and further suggest if you are too thin-skinned to refrain from remark and just read or just leave the thread.


33 posted on 05/07/2010 9:15:49 AM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: NYer

Frankly, it’s a matter of really bad catechesis as to why people wander away as late teens. If you really know the Faith, there is no leaving. Shifting worship and devotion style, maybe, but no leaving.


34 posted on 05/07/2010 9:16:15 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Alex Murphy

We need to say that ALL presbyterian churches adhere to the Westminister Confession of faith..not just OPC


35 posted on 05/07/2010 9:16:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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PhotobucketRoLE moDELs ... hOlY REaDiNgs of CHrIst & HiS saInTS ... RoSaRY ... Only a handful of kids will continue to attend the Catholic Church if their own parents aren't even attending (both *frequent* Mass AND Confession). The Church will ALWAYS have its problems. It's the Faith that is without flaw. There's no more immediate assistance/help one can receive today than through the Most Holy Eucharist Itself. You can sing praises to God 'til you're blue in the face through another denomination, but you'll NEVER consume the True Body of Christ, ever! And once He's gone in True Bodily Form, the door flings WIDE open for Satan ... to waltz right in.
36 posted on 05/07/2010 9:17:15 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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Roman Catholics are not the only denomination that is having problems keeping young people. It is a huge problem among all traditional denominations. They leave for all sorts of reasons, but many are enticed by nondenominational feel good, and high energy groups. Entertainment replaces commitment. Most will leave religion with its moral absolutes and become spiritual, which is a euphemism for egotist hedonism.


37 posted on 05/07/2010 9:18:24 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: rj45mis

Do not use potty language or references to potty language, on the Religion Forum. Click on my profile page for more guidelines pertaining to the RF.


38 posted on 05/07/2010 9:19:40 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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Okay but I sent another post b4 I got yours.


40 posted on 05/07/2010 9:21:40 AM PDT by rj45mis
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