Posted on 05/01/2010 8:40:54 AM PDT by truthfinder9
God did give us genealogies in the scriptures for a reason...one could be to show the age of the earth.
Ever heard of WOOL! Look around ye mate, I'm sure where you come from there are sheep raised for wool.
18I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21that[i] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Wool
Milk
Why is it so difficult for people to read the Bible?
Oh man ya gotta hope so. If ya can't eat em or have them for pets, what else is left? lol.
Interesting post, but not really all that deep.
Also, if God didn't create the earth for humans...he seemed to have gone to an aweful lot of trouble sending Jesus his one an only to son to come a rescue such a lot as us humans.
God gave us minds capable abstracting of information from our environment, which is what separates us from the animals. The scentific method is the best way of assessing why that is, no less using that same method in say, exploding an atomic weapon, lighting a city or flying an airplane from here to there, etc.
God wants us to know why it works. We couldn’t do these things otherwise.
The observational system turns out to be a much simpler way of ascertaining this information rather than just assuming that’s the way it appears so that’s the way it must be, which is usually in truth, much more convoluted.
The evidence is comparative, from as many sources as can be devised, and compared to it’s consistency with every other so studied system.
Simplicity and beauty are the keys, to God as much as to the way the universe works.
Good points, A-U. Thanks!
I have no problem with the scientific method (a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested) but my issue is that when we get to the discussion of the age of the earth we can get to the point of hypothesis but cannot test it empirically. Neither young earth or old earth people can prove the age of the earth using the scientific method since that would mean we would have to replicate the formation of the world...not possible. That is when we need to switch to other forms of evidence such as historical writings...the scriptures come to mind.
And yes God does want us to know why things work. That is why He told Adam to have dominion over the earth, this would suggest that Adam should study the earth to be able to use it to the best of his ability (science).
The problem again is that we tend to make assumptions based upon what we want to believe. The dating techniques that I have studied all are based upon assumptions that can not be scientifically tested...and even several of those techniques give us a young age of the earth. Science can not answer every question we have about our existence, to try and apply science to everything would lead us into what is called scientism.
From what I have seen in science that can actually be tested I see the handy work of God and a validation of scripture, which leads me to accept the rest of scripture as reliable in areas that science cannot answer.
The Sun, burning primarily H to He and up through the C12 cycle, is roughly ~5 billion years old, the age of which is known by thermonuclear fusion, which is what the H-Bomb was, so we understand "it" well enough for this.
Earlier, more massive, hence hotter fusion events making them shorter-lived, totals well for ~13by for the Milky Way, which can be optically (the science of “optics”) checked by all other known radiant material in the visible universe, and which by the observed rate of its expansion is itself is not so much older.
There’s also better geophysical evidence for the Earth having formed ~4.5by ago from these same principles, which are much simpler than for the “young Earth”.
This comes not from "assumptions based upon what we want to believe", but from simple analysis of what's there.
Science and God need be studied together.
As far as the H to He through the C12 cycle “known by thermonuclear fusion” where is the 5 billion years of data that we have from following this cycle from start to finish stored? The answer is that we do not have this data...again making assumptions that because a certain element is present that it had to go through a certain process. These elements could have been in the original created sun, my point is that we do not have a sample of the original sun to work with so we can not empirically test it as to what elements were present when it came into being. With out the ability to test the original, any age given to the sun, earth, milky way, etc would be based on an assumption and thus can not be proven through the scientific method because the final part (testing) can not take place. This would be for both young and old earth people.
Please do not think that everything is set by what we currently observe...
2 Peter 3:3-7 To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing;[people who] walk after their own fleshly desires and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the forefathers fell asleep, all things have continued exactly as they did from beginning of creation. For they wilfully overlook and forget this [fact], that heavens [came into] existence long ago by the word of God, and an earth also which was formed out of water and by means of water, through which the world that then [existed] was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been stored up (reserved) for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly people.
Again, we are testing things that are in the present and then assuming things about the past based upon the present data, this would be assuming that “all things have continued exactly as they did from beginning of creation”.
I would agree that science and God need to be studied but I will not put science over God or His Word especially when the science cannot be tested.
So as to throw us off? There's no demonstration to that end. But okay for you.
Genesis 1:14-19 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and for years: and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Why would we have to make the jump from the fact that we cannot scientifically prove the age of the sun to the accusation that God would be trying to deceive us? This is again using the idea that “all things have continued exactly as they did from beginning of creation". This is exactly what 2 Peter is warning us about.
...anything. Thus to ascertain the better probability.
I personally believe that God is more evident as a supra-natural mathematician than in other of His deeper aspects. Supra being outside nature, beyond space and time.
The better probability is that God has told us the TRUTH in His Word. If you want to continue to put faith in the theories of men that continue to change that is your choice. I will not...time for me to move on to more productive things.
God’s Grace to You and Yours....
1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As men moved eastward, [a] they found a plain in Shinar [b] and settled there.
3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
8 So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel [c] —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
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