Posted on 04/11/2010 6:09:57 PM PDT by stfassisi
No it is truth...
Well! Thats true wisdom you just typed, I know because in actual exoricism I would go by that wisdom too Its very Good point. Not that I want to be looking for that experiance. I commend you on that point.I can’t say much for that incident myself, But It doesn’t mean the Rosary itself is wrong. But from the books I read an experianced exorcist near the end of the event has the Lord’s Angels in the supernatural banishing the fallen angel out of the body thus they have to obey the prays said and the questions correctly. Of course I do not know personally! But I did deal with my friend’s wife who is into the occult and she could not declare the 1 john 4 warning on a real Christian. She would try to say that Christ came in the flesh but the force behind would not let her. But she would say that there are many ways to God. Which is a big lie from the pit. I would repeat it again and again. To her husband’s chagrin and horror. She still couldn’t say it. What you do not understand is we declare that Christ came in the flesh when we say the Apostles Creed which begins the Rosary. We are going to see more of these New Age lies increase as time continues to the end.
So it may be accurate or it may not be, it is simply a mans opinion that has been accepted as true right?
When Christ was asked about the commandments, He said, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
So, how is praying to Mary against the second commandment? Wait-- that scripture is in the GOSPELS. I forgot! Presbyterians only go by the Pauline epistles. Who IS Pauline, anyway?
Mary is not dead.
Judith -How about the 5th Commandment Honor your Father or Mother which is the reason Christ has to Honor her intercessory pray since she is his human Mother and he did enter humanity thru her. The opposite of not obeying the commandment is a sin and Christ could not be the sinless lamb for our salvation. Which thank God is not true. Praise JESUS AND HAIL MARY INDEED!!! Praise JESUS!!
You just had to step in it again. The Rosary is far more than Hail Mary's. Learn something about it before you criticize it.
I lost the Rosary I had used for so many years, and I can’t find another that’s suitable for a man my age. Oh, well, I guess it’s dainty aquamarine glass beads.
“unbiblical prayers to the dead.”
You know, when I see how some people have such great resistance to understanding such a simple thing as the Communion of Saints, I can’t think of any possible cause other than the influence of Old Scratch.
It’s not hard. No member of the Body of Christ is dead. Asking them to pray for you is such a commonplace thing that it’s hard to imagine how anyone could fail to understand.
Anyone who has read the Bible knows that only the Triune God is to receive our prayers. Praying to Mary is idolatry. 100%. Repent of it.
Very sad. Repent. All 10 Commandments are still in force, even the second commandment which Rome breaks every day of the week.
YES, IT IS!
You think the bible dropped from the sky and landed on someone’s lap. It did not come into existence in full New Testament form until centuries later
Errors like that reveal how ignorant of the Bible many Roman Catholic apologists really are.
And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus." -- 2 Timothy 3:14-15"But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
And nowhere in those Scripture does it say to pray to anyone other than the Triune God.
Repent.
Absolute idolatry. They weren't called the Dark Ages for nothing.
Unfortunately God seems to have this thing with giving people what they deserve.
Good advice - worth repeating...
Revere is one word, worship is another. Ultimately by what power are all men brought to salvation and healing?
Fill in the missing word of this verse and you’ll have your answer...”Not by might or by power but by My ______, says the Lord”
Had to look it up, and found this:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church gives the following English translation of the Apostles’ Creed:
1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins,
11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and life everlasting.
Amen.
Your post reaffirms what many of us have learned on this forum -- Presbyterians ignore the Gospels to such an extent that they do not even recognize the words of Jesus Christ and feel free to flaunt that with impunity.
I am fully aware of what the OT commandments are, but it seems that Presbyterians haven't read the words of Christ in the Gospels where He comments on the commandments. Or, if they have read them, they have ignored Christ, and gone back to the OT for their list. Doesn't surprise me. Especially since the Pressy's don't seem able to understand.
In post 87 I asked if your question in post 83 was a trick question. Here’s your question:
“As you know many of the church fathers disagreed with each other and were often heretical in their teachings.. So is this writing infallible? “
Now, you post in 101 “No, it is truth.”
So, it seems that it WAS a trick question. Did you actually want an answer, or were you making a statement? Because that wasn’t clear at the time, and is even less clear now.
The new Testament existed in the forum of letters to the churches from the beginning of the church. They were recognized by the N T church as valid and inspired before they were put in an "authorized" canon to be handed down.
But none of those things changes the facts that scripture tells us how to pray and WHO to pray to. No mention of prayers of "intercession" to Mary , Moses, Elijah or any-other of the deceased Saints.. it tells us that there is ONE mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus .
I do not worry about them forgetting to take my prayer to the throne of God, because i take it there myself, now having access to God without a man to do it for me.
I do not worry about what stones are in my prayer beads.. does that make the prayer more precious ?Seems some think so ....How sad when Christ waits to intercede for us that fire stones are the topic
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