Sex abuse lawsuit names San Antonio archdiocese

Associated Press ^ | 4-8-10 | Michelle Roberts

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“It is very disturbing to see.”

That’s only because you insist upon remaining willfully ignorant.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I had mentioned to another poster that this confusion often happens for those who cannot tell the difference of where one puts their faith. As I see it if their faith rests too heavily in their church over that of Christ then the response will generally be defensive and sometimes more than that. But if Christ is center in their life their response is generally more balanced and we all learn. Although they cannot tell themselves this is where they are you can generally see it as they post.

That's very perceptive.

Ok so say this is so...then is it not up to us to discern that, and would that not change our approach in how we respond when we recognize they cannot see it themselves? In a sense it's like getting a blind man to see something in writing ....or conversing with someone who loves their country but cannot grasp that it is the people who make the country.

Regardless of the deaf ears of the audience, we are commanded to preach the word in season and out. You never know if and when God will chose to give new ears to someone who will hear the words for the first time and finally understand them.

Many of us didn't get it the first time. Our hearts are stubborn, and only God can grant a man a rebirth by the Holy Spirit.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Semper Reformanda

[caww]

Our hearts are stubborn

I can name that tune in one note! Ha! Better than I know the Lord is He knows me...were it not so I would not have the freedom to even argue with him as I do...you know those stubborn moments that come even after we are committed to Him. I must say that He usually wins the arguments but not always...sometimes He does eventually agree...I think He enjoys the dialogue so He keeps it moving by raising the bar.

[caww]

Regardless of the deaf ears of the audience, we are commanded to preach the word in season and out.

Yes, of course, but I have learned there are different approaches to different people, pending on where they are in their walk, the church they are or were raised in or not. Even Jesus spoke to people at differing levels...He spoke things to the crowds...and generally there was an individual encounter from the crowd where He focused and addressed on the level they were at....and as the disciples generally were in ear shot of both it was when He took them aside that he explained to them the meaning of what He said. Then there were the religious leaders...who amazingly He didn't spend much time with in setting them straight. They were the blind leading the blind and he told them that. He moved on to those who were ready and willing to hear Him.

Not sure I am making my point just right but it matters we recognize who He has appointed our words go to and how they are spoken...just as He did so. Humm...still am not saying what I want but perhaps the Lord will fill in the blanks while I ponder this more.

[Natural Law]

Bene, cum Latine nescias, nolo manus meas in te maculare.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Liberate te ex inferis.

[Natural Law]

Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum. Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

(Nec verbum verbo curabis reddere fidus interpres)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I’ve long suspected you’re on the wrong forum.

Braccae tuae aperiuntur

[Religion Moderator]

If you wish to post in Latin, follow it with the English translation.

[Natural Law]

Magna res est vocis et silentii temperamentum - The great thing is to know when to speak and when to keep quiet. Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides; cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis - Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus - Outside the Church there is No Salvation. (Nec verbum verbo curabis reddere fidus interpres - As a true translator you will take care not to translate word for word.)

Does this apply to all languages or just Latin? And why is communication in the universal language of the Church barred in the Religion Forum?

[Religion Moderator]

It applies to all languages on the Religion Forum. English is the common language of the posters. Sidebars in any other language whether Greek, Latin, Spanish, Hebrew, German, etc. - exclude those who do not understand the language.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What don’t you understand about an “open” forum?

[Natural Law]

"What don’t you understand about an “open” forum?"

I directed my question to the Religion Moderator and received a proper answer. I didn't ask for your opinion or sarcasm. Don't make this about individual Freepers or is that something else you don't understand about the forum in addition to your snarky Latin posts.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

My Latin posts?!? lolol.

[caww]

We shall see I would expect..in time and tide as this horrid affair plays itself out...but it will take some down at various levels along the way, and likely some more guilty than others as well as those less. Sin with this degree of stronghold always touches even the innocent in it’s wake it will not let loose easily because it is so destructive. That is why God called it an abomination.

....perhaps the reason the battle is so fierce is it may be the last stonghold or close to it.

[caww]

Let's just leave it that we see this bowing before idols of wood, plaster ,and whatever material made of by men, from differing perspectives.

To you and others there might be an inner need to have these before you in order perhaps to heighten your worship in some way. perhaps a sense of comfort or that one is not alone...much as a youngster might need a soft teddy-bear or an oldster a warm blanket type of feel. I have heard some speak of that. But for others not only are these monuments and forms unnecessary but they are an intrusion into the free-flowing communication between Christ and the individual....more a distraction.

Frankly I am not one who enjoys the Renaissance art works from which many of these art forms are taken...although I can appreciate the style of the artist as has been seen in other works not depicting a religious figure or person, but they sometimes are actually disfigured and odd looking.

Come to think of it there is quite a bit of nudity and seductive poses in much of the art work and figures in catholic cathedrals and churches... which if one thinks about the celibacy requirements for Priests, and those with homosexual issues this isn't exactly the best art work to be hanging around. Just a thought as we all know men are visually stimlated./p> So you see we view this from a different perspective so if these art forms give you a sense of comfort etc. well there really isn't anything wrong with that I suppose.

[Hieronymus]

All of them living, breathing fellow Christians.

The dead do not hear your prayers.

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One of the better Catholic commentators on Exodus 3:6 would argue that they are not dead:

You are wrong because you know neither the scriptures or the power of God. Have you not read what was said to you by God “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?” He is not God of the dead but of the living.

The point seemingly being that God did not say “I was the God of Abraham et al.” or “I will be the God of Abraham et al.” but I am the God of Abrhahm et al. If this argument holds then those who have gone before count as living, at least by this commentators argument, though they may not meet your breathing criterion.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Wow. That is truly the flimsiest argument in favor of praying to dead people I have ever read.

Roman Catholics don't seem to read the Bible much. But when they do, they pluck lines out of context and try to use them to bolster some errant philosophy or ritual. Like Mary being the new Eve.

And now because God said He is the God of Abraham that is supposed to be the evidence which permits us to violate the Second Commandment and bow down and serve and pray to statues of dead people???

Wake up, Rome. "Flee from idolatry."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Frankly I am not one who enjoys the Renaissance art works from which many of these art forms are taken...although I can appreciate the style of the artist as has been seen in other works not depicting a religious figure or person, but they sometimes are actually disfigured and odd looking.

I agree. That's why Rembrandt was one of the greatest painters in history, and was more a post-Renaissance painter who painted as a reaction to the florid Renaissance rather than to join it.

The difference between the Renaissance artwork and those of the later and post Renaissance is that the earlier, Italian artwork encouraged men to bow down to the artwork itself, while the artwork of the Reformation denied that belief and merely portrayed religious figures with a new type of realism.

This photo was found on a website under the heading, "Best Places to Pray in St. Peter's."

You don't find anyone falling to their knees and praying to this painting of Christ by Rembrandt...

Come to think of it there is quite a bit of nudity and seductive poses in much of the art work and figures in catholic cathedrals and churches... which if one thinks about the celibacy requirements for Priests, and those with homosexual issues this isn't exactly the best art work to be hanging around. Just a thought as we all know men are visually stimlated

You probably mean that somewhat in jest, but there is a lot of truth to that observation. There's something untoward about the following photos...