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Vatican says media in "ignoble attempt" to smear pope
Reuters ^ | March 25, 2010 | Philip Pullella Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/25/2010 1:29:03 PM PDT by NYer

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To: sabe@q.com

I hate to ask, but are you honestly as deeply confused as you appear, or just blowing smoke?


61 posted on 03/25/2010 4:23:42 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: sabe@q.com
Shows how hypocritical it all is. Teach one thing and practice another. Does cause one to lose faith.

Perhaps one's faith was just very weak. How sad.

I think it's bad to yell at my kids, but sometimes they're absolutely impossible and I do it anyway. Does that weaken your faith? If so, I'm terribly sorry and I will pray for you.

62 posted on 03/25/2010 4:25:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

“I think it’s bad to yell at my kids, but sometimes they’re absolutely impossible and I do it anyway.”

When you correct them are you doing cause of their negative behavior?


63 posted on 03/25/2010 4:27:57 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tax-chick

One thing about prayer: it’s beneficial for the one who prays and the recipient.

It’s always good, imho. :)


64 posted on 03/25/2010 4:29:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sabe@q.com

I’m sorry, the question seems a bit garbled. Send again, over?


65 posted on 03/25/2010 4:29:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

when you yell at your kids is it because you want to correct their negative behavior?


66 posted on 03/25/2010 4:30:11 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: trisham

Yes, no prayer, however muddled or inarticulate or confused, is ever a loss. “The Holy Spirit intercedes for us with groans too deep for words.”


67 posted on 03/25/2010 4:30:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: sabe@q.com
Huge falsity though when you have priests who don’t practice what they teach. Causes one to lose faith.

You ... are a victim of the mainstream media.

No Catholic will ever defend the indefensible. Most of the sex abuse that took place dates back to the 50's and earlier, long before JPII. I would ask you, however, what is being done in non-Catholic communities to stop predatory sex abuse of children? This is not limited to the Catholic Church.

Sex Abuse of Children by Protestant Clergy.

The Catholic Church here, through its bishops in the USCCB, have implemented a program to prevent future occurrences. This includes all members of the community who come in contact with children, from janitors in the schools to volunteers who teach children at the parish level. We all are subjected to fingerprinting and a police background check. We are also required to attend classes on how to identify sexual predators and what actions to take. This is possible because of the centralized nature of the Catholic Church. It is also the reason why the media have been able to focus a laser beam on us. This is not possible in the non-Catholic denominations where there is no one to take responsibility.

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Worse still, is the sex abuse of children in the education system.

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

And then there are the camp counselors, Big Brothers of America and the list goes on and on. There is plenty of guilt to go around.

68 posted on 03/25/2010 4:33:03 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: sabe@q.com

Well, it depends on how one defines “negative behavior.” Is running around shouting the names of dinosaurs “negative behavior,” or is it just being a little boy? Is singing dreadful Miley Cyrus songs in a nasal Miley Cyrus voice wrong, or does it just drive me crazy?

And is yelling the correct response, whether the behavior is truly wrong or just not what I feel like dealing with?

Either way, I think it’s bad to yell at my kids, and yet I do it. I think I should spend more time on houseowrk and less on FReeping, and yet ...

Sometimes I even say, “Aw, shoot, Frank! You couldn’t sleep another hour?” to the baby at 2 a.m.

Dreadful hypocrisy, and I’m sorry about how I’ve scandalized you. Please don’t abandon Christianity because of my imperfection.


69 posted on 03/25/2010 4:33:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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“I would ask you, however, what is being done in non-Catholic communities to stop predatory sex abuse of children?”

Most communities call LE. It appears to me that the Catholic Church keeps it inhouse.


70 posted on 03/25/2010 4:34:55 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tax-chick

:) You inspire me.


71 posted on 03/25/2010 4:37:43 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Have a glass of South African wine and hug your dog!


72 posted on 03/25/2010 4:39:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m not a mother. I have been abused as a child however. Children learn that it then becomes okay as adults to “yell” at others for both positive and negative behavior if that is what they have learned from their parents. Or children learn that it is okay to sexually molest others because that is what they learned from their clergy.

I believe it needs to be clear for children to learn what is positive and what is negative and only be corrected for negative behavior.


73 posted on 03/25/2010 4:39:52 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks! :)


74 posted on 03/25/2010 4:40:51 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sabe@q.com
I believe it needs to be clear for children to learn what is positive and what is negative and only be corrected for negative behavior.

I agree, but there is still the question of how one defines "negative." Is there anything morally wrong about shouting about dinosaurs, singing Miley Cyrus songs, or filling cups with water and leaving them standing about the house? Hard to see what commandment that violates.

And yet, we think negatively about adults who stand in the middle of (for example) the Post Office shouting random Greek words, don't we? Or girls who leap up in the middle of Spanish class to sing a Miley Cyrus song. And when the water gets spilled into the dragon cage and shorts out the lights, that's expensive and dangerous to the dragon.

75 posted on 03/25/2010 4:45:04 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

Well in this case I would definitely qualify that adults, esp. clergy sexually molesting minors is wrong.


76 posted on 03/25/2010 4:45:55 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Tax-chick

Heavens to Betsy. No one should be allowed to speak Greek in the post office. Well, unless they’re drinking ouzo.


77 posted on 03/25/2010 4:52:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sabe@q.com

Why especially clergy, as opposed to teachers, coaches, parents, family friends, neighbors, random strangers on the bus, or fellow students?

Do you think it’s always wrong for a 17-year-old (assuming “minors” means under 18) to engage in sexual advances or sexual acts? What if one person is 17 and one is 18? What if one person is 16 and one is 19? What if one is 17 and one is 23? What if one is 14 and one is 12?

My point is that we make these sweeping statements, but when it comes down to the point, most people wouldn’t say that an 18-year-old boy shouldn’t try to touch or kiss a 17-year-old girl. And what if they’re the same sex? I think *any* sexual behavior aimed at the same sex is wrong, but expressing that opinion would get me thrown out of Canada, like Ann Coulter.

In my opinion, when we accept *any* sexual behavior outside marriage, we’re opening the door to be unable to articulate any firm standards at all.


78 posted on 03/25/2010 4:52:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: trisham

I try not to take my little boys to the Post Office. I spend much less time there since I got Stamps.com!


79 posted on 03/25/2010 4:53:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Never apologize - it's a sign of weakness.)
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To: Tax-chick

You are a wise woman.


80 posted on 03/25/2010 4:54:33 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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