Posted on 03/14/2010 8:47:22 PM PDT by Gerhard Ebersöhn
Three days, according to how the Jews reckoned time: Thursday till sunset, Friday sunrise to sunset, Saturday sunrise to sunset.
Three nights: Thursday sunset till sunrise Friday; Friday sunset till sunrise Saturday; Saturday sunset till sunrise Sunday, when the tomb was found empty.
Crucified on Thursday and alive on the third (Friday, Saturday, Sunday) day.
“. . . but we had hoped that he would be the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place,” said the disciples with Jesus on the road to Emmaus Sunday afternoon. Three days since Thursday is Sunday, then and now.
If the Commandments still command us to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy, then we are deliberately sinning by not observing the Sabbath God set aside for Himself for us. For me, it's no different than saying Thou shalt not murder doesn't apply to abortion. Thou shalt not envy your neighbors property, unless of course they are mean ole rich people. The Scriptures say what they say,....who are we to only interpret what we want them to say to fit some man made ideology.
PS. I am not a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm just sayin. ;<)
It is absolutely necessary to believe that we are "grafted in" or "adopted" by the Family of God. The believe that Jewishness doesn't count, or must be shunned is to shun God's people. People just view the "Jews" of Israel as lost people and we have nothing to do with them. The "Jews" that Scripture is talking about are the ones that believe Jesus was the Promised One or the Lamb of God. The other Jews are just a racial category that are waiting to be "perfected". This would be "perfection" for anyone, Jew or gentile. God said "to the Jew first and then the Gentile". The Israeli's are just people that are just like anyone else, except they have been "chosen" by God to reveal the coming of Jesus to save the world. They don't even have to believe to be part of the plan of God. God used Pharaoh to show His power on Earth and he was as evil as man could be. Anyone who dares to hate the Jews will answer to God, however, because they are God's people. God could have "chosen" the Chinese, American Indian, or any one of a hundred other races and cultures on the Earth, but He chose the Hebrews, to make Himself known to mankind. In Romans 1, He states that we are without excuse. He gave us the Jew's laws and customs to reveal Himself to man and that is what we should look to to explain what God was wanting to convey to His people. To learn about a Jewish wedding will explain how God will interact with His "Bride" and there are many other instances that are "Jewish" in nature, but we won't "get it" if we don't study the Jewish culture. We should become more Jewish and not try to drag Jesus into Western culture. Jesus was a Jew, He died a Jew, and rose as a Jew. We are the ones trying to "fit" Him into western culture.
The above bold part of your comment is an opinion that I find very wanting, and I take issue with your last sentence above.
You should read the rest of the passage you took the words of Jesus from (Mt. 12:41-42). You try to insinuate that Jesus was not buried in a grave, but in "hell". Jesus died and was buried, and three days and nights later He rose from the dead. He did not go to what many think is a "hell" today, but to the grave "in the heart of the earth" - i.e., buried in the earth.
Is "hell" the place of the "living"? What would make you think so? Have you any sort of proof for that statement?
Jesus' replied to the Pharisses and teachers of the law with His statement. They wanted to have a "sign", and Jesus told them of the only "sign" they would get! That sign was His resurrection from the dead after being in the ground (heart of the earth) for three days and nights - period! To say that "in the heart of the earth" means a place for the "living" is ridiculous to the extreme! To say that the phrase is "hell" (as thought of by most people today) is also ridiculous to the extreme!
I've read some of your "works" - you really have some imagination, and back it up with philosophical reasoning to the extreme!
No, you do not understand me. You do not consider what I actually said. You put words and ideas in my mouth.
Jesus was buried in a grave, after it “NOW HAD HAD BEEN EVENING” Mk15:42 Mt 27:57 Jn19:31 Lk23:50 and Joseph appeared on the scene of the drama on the second day of the “three days”. But his “soul, was NOT LEFT in hell”, says the Word. Yes, “Jesus died and was buried, and three days and three nights later He rose from the dead” -— after He DIED; after his ACT of dying death; after his WORK which He first “FINISHED” BEFORE He “gave the spirit”. Jesus’ work: “I LAY DOWN MY LIFE OF MY OWN” was his Jonah-EXPERIENCE of ‘hell’ and of ‘descending to hell’. And this is NOT MY theory; it is good old Reformed Protestant FAITH. You said it: FROM THAT HE DIED the “three days and three nights” BEGAN; it did not begin with his dead body being buried. The beginning of the “three days” was not Joseph’s act; it was GOD’s act in Christ JUST LIKE it was GOD’s act and not Joseph’s act to RAISE Him again, “FROM the dead”. ‘He did not go to what many think is a “hell” today’ while he lay in the grave: He on the first of the “three days” LIVED = SUFFERED HELL for the ‘many’ of the ages saved by His suffering of hell, “the second” and eternal “DEATH the wages of sin”. THAT is DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Jesus’ having been: “in the heart of the earth” and Joseph’s having buried Him in the earth.
Is “hell” the place of the “living”? O it will be for the godless. What punishment would it be for the godless if it were the place of the dead? That is only one thing that ‘makes me think so’. Have I any sort of proof for that statement? Well, how about the SINFULNESS OF SIN? The underestimation of sin reflects the underestimation of hell; and that same underestimation of hell is reflected in the underestimation of the suffering of Jesus — his having DIED, DEATH, ALIVE and FULLY CONSCIOUS and WILLING - i.e., OBEDIENT - for the sins of the saved.
Obj:
They wanted to have a “sign”, and Jesus told them of the only “sign” they would get! That sign was His resurrection from the dead after being in the ground (heart of the earth) for three days and nights - period!
Ans:
You say, “Jesus told them of the only “sign” they would get” and then go on to give YOUR definition of it. What about Jesus’ own definition? “the sign of the PROPHET”, i.e., of the Scriptures, like I said before. Nevertheless, I agree with you, “That sign was His resurrection from the dead”. Rose He not from the dead, not even the ‘prohets’ or ‘Scriptures’ would have been worth anything. Mark then: “His resurrection” — his INSTANTANEOUS resurrection; no PERIOD OF TIME! Nevertheless I shall agree with you, the “three days and three nights” per se as well, were or was ‘the sign’, but then ‘That sign was His resurrection from the dead after having FIRST: DIED DEATH (in the HEART of the earth; figurative language); and NEXT: having been in the ground (in the earth; literal language); and “the THIRD day” (literal language) He rose from the dead and from the grave; from the earth and from the heart of the earth; THEN only: “period!”: “the pains of death ended”. In other, simple, words: your words, “That sign was His resurrection from the dead after being in the ground (heart of the earth) for three days and nights - period!” is LITERALLY INCORRECT and therefore, UNTRUE.
You have a lot to say about my posts, saying nothing about them. You haven’t addressed a single thought or remark of mine; YOU DID NOT EVEN NOTICE I BELIEVE THE “SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD”, “THE LORD’S DAY”. Or that I believe the Sabbath because the Scriptures in the OT foretold that Christ would, and in the NT revealed that He did, RISE FROM THE DEAD “IN THE SABBATH’S FULLNESS MID AFTER NOON”. I speak about NOTHING ELSE; but you preach me long sermons on the Law? I have the Law in Jesus Christ the RISEN LORD. His being our Lord means He is our Authority or our LAW. I do not need the Ten Commandments while I am a follower and student of the Great Teacher. “The Law is for the transgressor” declares the Scriptures. I am a forgiven transgressor through Jesus Christ; to me and the saved of Christ, the Law has become obsolete and useless as a means of righteousness. “Since Jesus had given them rest THEREFORE remains valid a keeping of the Sabbath Day to the People of God HE HAVING ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN”.
No, you aren’t ‘dense’. Have you ever met an atheist or a denier of Jesus Christ who says he believes the Scriptures?
A denier of Jesus Christ and an atheist always are a denier and rejector of the Scriptures. Unbelief in God and Jesus Christ ALWAYS begins and ends with scepticism over and synicism about the Scriptures.
I ‘mentioned’ NOTHING like “the “lying report” is “John 19:31”!
John 19:31 says, “Now it was the Day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath.”
You called that “a lying report.”
If you don’t like it, be honest and cut it out of your bible.
Frankly, you’re not making any sense. You say one thing, then deny it.
Pearls and dust.
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I stand by what I said in post #64. Your convoluted response indicates that you have two different meaning to the same expression that the Scriptures give us. What's so difficult to understand the plain statement Jesus made? He told the Pharisees of the only “sign” they would get! That sign was His resurrection from the dead after being in the ground (heart of the earth) for three days and nights - period!
It's that simple. Carry on....
This is to your posts #'s 65 and 66.
Where do you find that it is "figurative" language that means "living, hell"? What do you mean by the term "hell"?
An explanation of what you mean "hell" to mean would surely help others understand what you are trying to say.
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Just that action, in and of itself was hell.
Okay, but that still doesn't address the problem of what you think "hell" means.
The worst part of that Hell they will reside in for the rest of eternity, will be the final and complete seperation from God the Father, Jesus his Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I agree, providing you tell me what you mean by the term "hell".
Once again, it would seem we are arguing over non-important details, and missing the big picture.
You may think so, but what I'm asking you has some very important relevance to other doctrines of vital importance. Again, let us know what you think "hell" is or means to your statements! And also "why" you use it so much.
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