Mormons and Catholics Join Forces [Ecumenical]

Francis Eugene George is not just a cardinal. He is also president of the United States conference of catholic bishops and sets the tone and direction for church policy and position in the country. His comments, therefore, on the positive attributes of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), more commonly known as Mormons, seem surprising given the enormous theological and demographic differences between the two groups. Or do his words herald a spirit of co-operation among disparate religious movements in the fight against secularism?

“Fortunately, the leadership of the Catholic Church isn’t narrow-minded and bigoted like some of its parishioners”

You seem to keep slipping into antagonistic mode. Fortunately,
I am very patient with those new to ecumenical threads. :-)

I would observe back to you that the Catholic Church believes
and teaches what I posted here... so it is simply the truth
that they do not recognize the mormonism as a Christian
religion. That they would work together with a non-Christian
religion is what I find astounding about this story!

Amazing, really.

Do you have any feelings personally about the “Restored
Mormon Church” working with the “Unrestored and fallen, Catholic Church”?

“...who incessantly seek to divide people of different faiths who have shared values and work together with the Catholic Church in advancing important social issues.”

Clearly, there are shared values, which I appreciate. It is
the lack of shared Christianity that troubles me personally.
I would, however, take the LDS money to prevent it for being
used for deviant purposes. I think that’s wise of the leadership.

“Instead, many of these narrow-minded parishoners”

Antagonism.

“...would rather waste their time making self-perceived pithy,”

mind reading.

“but, in reality, ignorant”

[antagonism]

“statements attacking another faith. I truly pity the spiritual littleness”

[antagonism]

“of such parishoners and pray for them.”

You never answered me. Is your stress and antagonism on
this ecumenical thread a “physical issue”? If so, please
share it with us so we can understand your posts and reach
a higher state of ecumenical participation.

All the best,
ampu

If you consider my post antagonistic, my FRiend, it is only so because you self-identify as one of the narrow-minded Catholic parishoners. I don’t know you well enough, so I couldn’t personally say if you were and, frankly, even if I thought you were a narrow-minded Catholic parishioner, I wouldn’t state that to you because it wouldn’t a kind thing to do.

I simply commented on the narrow-mindedness that exists among some Catholic parishoners who seek to divide with their self-perceived pithy, but ignorant doctrinal statements whereas, fortunately, the leadership of the Catholic Church and other faithful Catholic parishioners are unified with the Mormon Church and its faithful parishioners in advancing social issues where values are shared. That is the ecumenicalism I celebrate.

It is tragic ecumenicalism is a foreign notion in the narrow minds of certain parishioners. It truly relfects a spiritual littleness which they are unable to overcome to join in a spirit of ecumenicalism in advancing social issues where values are shared.

Knowing of the vast doctrinal differences between the Catholic and Mormon Churches, I wholeheartedly embrace those areas where the two faiths are able to work together because of shared values in advancing certain social issues. I embrace the ecumenicalism between the two faiths despite knowing of the deep errors in Catholic theology.

I am also appreciative of the LDS parishioners who faithfully pay their tithes and offerings to the Mormon Church that it might financially aid the Catholic Church in its charitable activities. I must admit, I was surprised by the large amount of financial assistance provided by the Mormon Church to the Catholic Church for its charitable efforts. I wonder if there are some Catholic parishioners who fail to faithfully tithe to enable the Catholic Church to fully fund its charitable activities and whether these parishioners might be the same ones who are narrow-minded when it comes to ecumenical actitivies between the Catholic and Mormon Churches. In any event, I am thankful for those Catholic parishioners who do give to partially aid the activities of Catholic charities. I’m also grateful that the Mormon Church can help with the financial shortfall.

In response to your final inquiry, I have no stress at all and love to see the great ecumenical work occurring between the Catholic and Mormon Churches. I only have sorrow and prayers for those narrow-minded individuals whose lives are filled with negativity and sowing seeds of division because of their spiritual littleness, and therefore, are unable to fully embrace the ecumenicalism occurring between the Catholic and Mormon Churches.

Best wishes.

You can sure talk! Wow.

Did you ever see The Princess Bride?

Your last post reminds me of the short
Sicilian explaining which cup the poison
was in... and I mean that in the absolute
kindest way. “You have a truly dizzying
intellect.”

[As an aside about the problem you mentioned having
currently: I don’t know if the mormonite church prohibits
the use of hormonal supplements (the RC Church
does not) to deal with times of large hormonal
fluctuations. I’ve read they can be very helpful
when those fluctuations coincide with the stress
of discussing a tricky subject. DIMM is the one
everyone talks about - some kind of extract of
cruciferous vegetables, I believe. People claim
it particularly helps excess estrogens that build
up at certain times. My oldest daughter was
helped greatly by it.]

Well, it appears you do not have anything ecumenical
of substance to add to the discussion here on my
adopted thread. I’m going to go ahead and turn off
the lights in the room, but I’ll leave the door
ajar for you - unless you want to continue this
over a cup of hot chocolate?

best, ampu

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It is unfortunate you continue to engage in personal and religious attacks and insults on an ecumenical thread. I had hope that you might actually embrace the true spirit of ecumenicalism ongoing between the Catholic and Mormon Churches and which I was able to enjoy with some on this thread.

Since you’re abandoning this thread, I will look for your own ecumenical thread celebrating the combined efforts of the Catholic and Mormon Churches to advance certain social causes based on their shared values. I hope I don’t have to wait too long.

P.S. Princess Bride is a great book and movie. Your conduct on this thread reminds me of Prince Humperdinck and I mean that in the absolutely kindest way.

CUH,
Not a single insult or attack from me.
I would never attack a lady.

I am very sensitive to issues women
struggle with. I have a wife and two
daughters, so I am well schooled. That
isn’t anything to be embarrassed about,
btw. Heck, more than HALF of the world’s
population has these issues. That includes
mormonites AND Catholic women.

I definitely embrace the ecumenical
spirit! I revel in it. I was just
astounded that these two groups
with so little in common would work
together. But they are, so how about
it! What a wild world we live in today.

I think you misunderstood my posts if
you believed I was going to start an
ecumenical thread myself. I thought
I indicated I had adopted this unloved
thread?

In any case, unless you have something
substantive to add here, it would seem
my thread has run its course.

Have a good night!
ampu

CUH, No need to be embarrassed. I thought you were a male at first. It happens. We move on.

Not sure what you mean when you write, "For just one of many examples of your insults/attacks in this thread, I refer you to post 122: “I don’t know if the mormonite church . . .” I’m sure that was your polite way of referring to my church."

Mormonite is how mormons were referred to in the early days of their founding by newspapers - way back when Mr. Smith was traveling the northeast US looking for treasure. Nothing wrong with that at all. It isn't an insult.

In fact, if you would like to read some early accounts of your faith, I suggest you take a look at this link: http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1877Purp.htm

There are many articles reprinted from the 1800s you may find of interest. Shocking stuff too.

here is a quote from one that uses the name "mormonite"...

In the sixth number of your paper I saw a notice of a sect of people called Mormonites; and thinking that a fuller history of their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., might be interesting to community, and particularly to your correspondent in Ohio, where, perhaps, the truth concerning him may be hard to come at, I will take the trouble to make a few remarks on the character of that infamous imposter.
For several years preceding the appearance of his book, he was about the country in the character of a glass-looker: pretending, by means of a certain stone, or glass, which he put in a hat, to be able to discover lost goods, hidden treasures, mines of gold and silver, etc. Although he constantly failed in his pretensions, still he had his dupes who put implicit confidence in all his words. In this town, a wealthy farmer, named Josiah Stowell, together with others, spent large sums of money in digging for hidden money, which this Smith pretended he could see, and told them where to dig; but they never found their treasure.

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