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The Manhattan Declaration (why Pastor John Macarthur won't sign it.)
Shepherd's Fellowship ^ | 11/24/09 | John Macarthur

Posted on 12/10/2009 10:55:18 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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1 posted on 12/10/2009 10:55:19 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Instead of acknowledging the true depth of our differences, the implicit assumption (from the start of the document until its final paragraph) is that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant Evangelicals and others all share a common faith in and a common commitment to the gospel’s essential claims. The document repeatedly employs expressions like “we [and] our fellow believers”; “As Christians, we . . .”; and “we claim the heritage of . . . Christians.” That seriously muddles the lines of demarcation between authentic biblical Christianity and various apostate traditions.

Ping for later

2 posted on 12/10/2009 11:09:41 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Was in a church that had a legalistic bent like his for years. Have escaped. Signed the document.


3 posted on 12/10/2009 11:14:47 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

That’s not a good vacuum cleaner because it doesn’t butter my toast.


4 posted on 12/10/2009 11:17:47 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

There’s still a few true Bible believers around. Thank God!


5 posted on 12/10/2009 11:20:24 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Getting in an “I’m more Christian than you are” match doesn’t seem to me to be the most productive choice. We’re all fallible, and we’re all probably wrong about something. Unite on what we can. Debate if you want. But, foremost, rely on the Grace of the Almighty to correct for our inevitable doctrinal shortcomings.

Getting caught up in legalisms is a fool’s errand — and allowing those legalisms to get in the way of doing Godly work with people that disagree about doctrinal minutae is ridiculous.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 12/10/2009 11:21:22 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Legalism short circuits the power of God which proves His Word anyway.


7 posted on 12/10/2009 11:27:34 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Holier-than-thou.
Self-righteous.
Pedant.

It’s not supposed to be a religious document, Pastor Clod. Its basis is Judeo-Christian faith, but it is neither an explicit nor an implicit endorsement of any particular catechism.


8 posted on 12/10/2009 11:29:43 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Politics being vastly less important than spiritual matters, I’m sure you’ve no objection to RINOs, correct?


9 posted on 12/10/2009 11:38:36 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ColoCdn

The irony is that traditional Christianity HAS NEVER PREACHED THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST. Jesus preached the gospel, he sent his apostles forth to preach the gospel but the church has never preached the gospel.

Jesus said “repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.”
That was the gospel. That is what the apostles went out preaching. Not that Christ was dying for your sins and would resurrect. This is the gospel of traditional Christianity but it is not the gospel of Jesus.

So McArthur and all these big guys have fallen into the tradtions and doctrines of men bin. Wish someone would just read the actual scriptures.


10 posted on 12/10/2009 11:46:21 AM PST by ladyL (J)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’ll just say this a bit broadly.

Most of us here have complete contempt for people who are all for saving whales and trees, but at the same time are pro-abort. We wonder what the statistical correlation is between the two positions - you know, how many of Group A are also members of Group B.

I just wonder what the correlation is between people who have contempt for RINOs and RINO-enablers on the one hand, but don’t think that anyone should ever have a definition of what it means to be a Christian, on the other.


11 posted on 12/10/2009 11:48:32 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
That seriously muddles the lines of demarcation between authentic biblical Christianity and various apostate traditions.

In short, he won't sign because there are too many Catholics involved.

What a bigot.

12 posted on 12/10/2009 11:49:12 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: ladyL

You are dead-wrong, and palpably so. Check 1 Corinthians 15:1-11, for starters.


13 posted on 12/10/2009 11:49:28 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: dead

Would you sign your name to a document that said repeatedly that Democrats, Republicans, Peace and Freedom, Green Party, and Communist Party members all equally shared and pursued the values and vision of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, if that document also said abortion was bad?


14 posted on 12/10/2009 11:51:33 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
MacArthur's right on this one, btw.
15 posted on 12/10/2009 11:54:38 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

The Boss has already addressed these “authentic Gospel” people:

38And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40For he that is not against us is on our part.

41For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.


16 posted on 12/10/2009 11:56:02 AM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: BibChr
You do know that the Bible is not a god and it's deification is idolatry right?

I have a feeling that may be your problem.
17 posted on 12/10/2009 11:59:26 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: BibChr
MacArthur's right on this one, btw.

Uh, no.

What MacArthur said is the moral equivalent of "I am not getting in that pool with all them negros."

And you blog about how right he is.

18 posted on 12/10/2009 12:01:26 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Minus_The_Bear; BibChr
"You do know that the Bible is not a god and it's deification is idolatry right?"

Err... did you get that from the Bible??

19 posted on 12/10/2009 12:02:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Petronski
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THE RULES

Rule One: "Rome" is the locus of all evil in the Universe.
Rule Two: In case of doubt, see Rule One.

All Else Is Irrelevant

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The creature "John MacArthur" admirably embodies "Rule One" thinking.

20 posted on 12/10/2009 12:04:31 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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