Posted on 07/23/2009 6:03:11 AM PDT by stfassisi
“The link provided is not accurate and you’re using flawed translations from modernists Bible’s such as NIV”
By “scripturecatholic” then no one can prove that Mary is the mother of Jesus since He said (Matt. 12:50) “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my.....mother.” And Mary is John’s mother (John 19:27) “Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother!..”.
Paul says Rufus’ mother is his (Rom. 16:13) “Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine” and even the city of Jerusalem is the mother of us all, (Gal. 4:26) “But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
By “scripturecatholic” then no one can prove that Mary is the mother of Jesus since He said (Matt. 12:50) “For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my.....mother.”
Dear Bother ,we know from Luke Chapter 1 that Mary is actually Jesus mother.
“”And Mary is John’s mother (John 19:27) “Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother!..”.””
Mary becomes “universal mother” to all that have been redeemed
Scripture is based upon Nuptial’s
A few excerpts from the late Blessed Fulton Sheen explains this well...
“In the Book of Genesis we see that marriage is a union brought about by God. Of all the things created by God”
“In the due course of time, God becomes man—the Bridegroom becomes man. Did Our Lord ever call Himself the Bridegroom? Yes, He did. And He did it in such a very natural way that the people were not at all astounded whey they heard Him, because they knew the background of God being related to their people as the Bridegroom. One of the occasions which Our Blessed Lord spoke of Himself that way was when a question was hurled at Him as to why He and His disciples did not fast, whereas the disciples of John the Baptist did fast. The answer of Our Lord was: “Can you expect the men of the Bridegroom’s company to go fasting when the Bridegroom is still with them?”[7] Then He went on to say that the Bridegroom will be taken away. John the Baptist called Himself the friend of the Bridegroom. In other words, a kind of “best man.”
“…There’s a beautiful mystery hidden somewhere in the marriage feast of Cana. Our Lord began His public life by assisting at that marriage feast, typifying his relationship with His Church would be exactly the relationship unfolded in the Old Testament, and when the old Kahal (chosen people) of Israel became the new Kahal, or the Church, or the New Israel, through Redemption and Pentecost, we had the continuation of the symbolism. Eve was the continuation of the body of man, bone of his bone, flesh of his flesh. What is the Church? The Church in the New Testament is described as the New Eve because [of] the continuation of the New Adam, Christ. Everywhere there is the idea of espousal, body, oneness, and we must get first things first. Remember, that the union of Our Lord and the Church is not like a human marriage”
“From the cross our Lord looks down to his Blessed Mother and St. John, and he develops this new relationship in the kingdom of heaven. Now we’ve always thought, and rightly so, of Christ the Son on the cross and the mother beneath him. But that’s not the complete picture. That’s not the deep understanding. Who is our Lord on the cross? He’s the new Adam. Where’s the new Eve? At the foot of the cross. ...How did the old humanity begin? With the nuptials. How will the new humanity begin? With the nuptials. If Eve became the mother of the living in the natural order, is not this woman at the foot of the cross to become another mother? And so the bridegroom looks down at the bride. He looks at his beloved. Christ looks at his church. There is here the birth of the church. As St. Augustine puts it, and here I am quoting him verbatim, “The heavenly bridegroom left the heavenly chambers, with the presage of the nuptials before him. He came to the marriage bed of the cross, a bed not of pleasure, but of pain, united himself with the woman, and consummated the union forever.”
Did Jesus ever according to scripture address Mary as “mother”?
I would agree that all Grace is special,but some receive more "special grace" than others
Was the special privilege granted to Mary more or less important than the special privilege of God talking face to face with Moses?
Considering that Mary is physically involved in the Incarnation I would say that Mary's grace was greater,all grace is important though. Mary "types"(typology) the Church, New Eve ,Ark of the covenant etc..also makes Her grace understood as great
I believe the Church has the idea of "grace" confused with how God uses people as His instruments of His righteousness.
Not true ,dear brother, we understand all grace makes us instruments of God,but we also see that God uses some people more than others.Thus,some are greater instruments that God uses more than others
Jesus calls Mary "Women" because she is the New Eve
I don't feel the need to go round and round on this if you don't accept Mary as New Eve
I wish you a Blessed day
Does Scripture give us any reason to believe Jesus never addressed Mary as mother?
“Does Scripture give us any reason to believe Jesus never addressed Mary as mother?”
No, but the only two references by Jesus we do have to Mary are “woman”, the same address Jesus used for the Canaanite woman; the woman with the spirit of infirmity; the Samaritan woman at the well; and the woman caught in adultery.
This proves nothing.
Grace, by the very definition is unmerited favor. You either have it or you don't. There isn't more unmerited favor than someone else. For example:
We stand before God in His grace. The Bible never talks about grace in terms of degrees. Rather in terms of whether we are under the law or under grace. (Rom 6:15)
Considering that Mary is physically involved in the Incarnation I would say that Mary's grace was greater
I would say that Mary had the same amount of grace as anyone else. God shows NO partiality. The Incarnation was God deciding to use Mary for His great work.
Not true ,dear brother, we understand all grace makes us instruments of God,but we also see that God uses some people more than others.
God doesn't waste resources. He uses everyone to the degree He so chooses. Who was used the most, Elijah or the 6000 priests who God had hiding in a cave who had not bowed their knees to Baal? It is not God's grace that makes Him use us. It is His will and purpose for our lives. As with Gidean, God sometimes turn away those who are willing to fight for Him, simply to manifest His power in those who are the weakest. This doesn't mean they receive more grace.
Jonah received God's grace, but His will and purpose was for Jonah to go to Nineveh. Jonah's refusal did not null and void God's grace; rather God worked with Jonah to bring him around to complete His plan and purpose. Had Mary initially refused, I'm sure God would have brought her around to His will as well.
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