Is a “Cashless Society” a Sign of the End?

American Vision ^ | July 20, 2009 | Gary DeMar

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[BuckeyeTexan]

Did you get the impression from anything I said that I thought the mark and all prophecy regarding it is insignificant? Because I acknowledge the significance of the mark and all prophecy. I am not getting your point.

I don’t agree that there is any sin more heinous than receiving the mark, which is rejecting God with the full knowledge that he exists. Revelation 14 says that those who receive the mark will experience the full power of God’s fury and wrath and will be tormented day and night forever. All those on Earth whose name is not in the Lamb’s book of life will worship the beast and receive his mark. I can see no worse sin and apparently neither can God because he plans to send them to Hell for their choice.

[guitarplayer1953]

I thought so to when I first heard it too. I went through a class on what became the seven humpies of the bible. It all dealt with the six day, six thousand year pattern in the bible. Up to the time of Jesus it was 4000 years since Adam and Eve and there for the fourth day. Then we began studying 2 day references in the New Testament equaling 2000 years for the return of Christ or should I say promise of His return and the end of the 6th day and then the 7th day of Rest the Millennial reign of Christ.

[raynearhood]

Statement of faith for these people?

What they Believe was at the bottom of the page. Gotta be impressed, though, this "ministry" has quite the track record. It's a good thing the entire "ministry" isn't built around the predictions and personality of one guy. /sacr

[Quix]

ESSENTIALLY,

I agree
with you.

HOWEVER,

Also, ESSENTIALLY, by the time MOST of the REPLACEMENTARIAN crew hereon gets through pontificating, they have repeatedly INSISTED THAT:

1. All the promises to Israel/Blood children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob either have ALREADY been fulfilled [as idiotic as that nonsense perspective is];

2. Or by some Scripture mangling mumbo-jumbo have declared and decreed that ALMIGHTY GOD'S EVERLASTING PROMISES THAT WILL NEVER FAIL AS LONG AS THERE ARE A MOON, STARS ETC. have been abandoned and negated, forgotten by GOD ALMIGHTY because they rejected Christ and ALL such promises that by some slip of the REPLACEMENTARIANS calculations MIGHT POSSIBLY have slipped by unfulfilled will be fulfilled ONLY & EXCLUSIVELY with THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

3. That for any & all functional, prophetic, predictive purpose conceivable, ISRAEL, as blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have ceased to exist in any significance AT ALL to the REPLACEMENTARIANS and their Rubber Bibles.

4. That ALMIGHTY GOD NO LONGER even sees Israel as a distinct, unique, Biblical, entity of any specific, enduring significance to Him whatsoever [They have never offered any rational explanation for the 12 Patriarch's thrones along with the Disciples'].

5. That Israel as a Nation, to REPLACEMENTARIANS, is of no more significance to God, to unfulfilled prophecy, to the END TIMES, than is a dead spider in the most remote out-house in Siberia.

Therefore, the seemingly willfully blind folks--particularly most of the contingent hereon--have well earned the label: REPLACEMENTARIANS.

[Quix]

The REPLACEMENTARIAN perspective as presented hereon so foolishly and relentlessly over the years cannot be weaseled out of so easily. See my post just above.

[Quix]

Extremely well put, imho.

Thx.

[Quix]

It is true, that He provides for our Spiritual Life, but it is false to assume Israel and the Church are the same.

Go back and read Scripture containing His Word.

Let God provide for our understanding, rather than resting upon our understanding to know Him.

= = =

INDEED.

[Quix]

Why do you teach, since in that time, His Word will be written in the hearts and minds of His people, no longer requiring one to teach one other about His Word.

= = =

Excellent question.

Awaiting the rationalized-weasel-answer.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Since you are representing their beliefs and claims, I’ll respond specifically to your points. If you are incorrectly representing their claims, I’ll expect them to clear it up. Mind you I’m not trying to resolve a dispute. I’m just trying to understand the essence of the disagreement.

1. The verses I quoted from Hebrews state clearly that no one has yet received any of the promises that God promised to Abraham, not even Abraham. Any claim otherwise is hogwash.

2. Malachi 3:6-7 I the Lord do not change. So you, O descendents of Jacob, are not destroyed. Ever since the time of your forefathers you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you, says the Lord Almighty.

God doesn’t change. Israel has until the end of the world to return to God and be accepted by him with open arms. After that, they’ll be destroyed with all the other unbelievers. God will never forsake his first love until he destroys the Earth by fire.

Again Hebrews makes it clear that together, children by faith and children by seed, will receive God’s promises to Abraham.

3. To be addressed fully in a subsequent post after some sleep.

4. See #2. God does not change.

5. See #3.

[Quix]

THANKS.

I THOROUGHLY AGREE WITH YOU.

However, they have lots of slippery Bible-mangling rationalized weasel-moves around such Biblical truths and facts.

I don’t think their weasel-words get a micro-meter’s worth around any such Scriptures but they seem to think they do.

It would be laughably ignorant blather not worth commenting on except that it has such outrageous potential to delude folks into a mentality that could cause them to miss Heaven.

I consider that serious—very serious.

I don’t mind being fierce about the issue of HEAVEN VS HELL.

[BuckeyeTexan]

One more point about Malachi 3:6-7, which is the last chapter of the last book of the OldT.

It is no coincidence that one of the very last things God said to Israel in the OldT before offering grace to the Gentiles was: Return to me and I will return to you!

Israel is God’s chosen people. He loves them and cherishes them dearly and is still offering them His hand. Will they ever take it? God knows, surely and truly he does.

[just me]

The Bible was written for us, not to us...... Jesus came the generation He said He would... You are like all generations before you. Looking for a promise you already have....The Bible was written so that we may know God... Time will go on...

Eph 2 v 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Eph 3 v 21 Unto him [be] glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

[Quix]

IMhO,

God has it all scheduled

IN HIS TIME,

FOR HIS GLORY.

I think the 144,000 may be a key . . . He ha ALWAYS had a remnant even amongst the rebellious Israelites . . . not that they had a monopoly on that! LOL.

I think folks often miss the reality . . .

Not only are the children of Israel God’s chosen people for HIS PURPOSES TO SHOW HIS GLORY . . . AS A PEOPLE and often as OBJECT LESSONS probably for ALL CREATION . . .

They are also

HIS SOLEMN PROMISE TO

GOD ALIGHTY’S

BUDDY, HIS FRIEND,

AND AS SCRIPTURE NOTES: GOD IS

NOT REMOTELY EVEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF

SLACK CONCERNING HIS PROMISES.

Any notion otherwise is blasphemous, imho.

[Quix]

What curious non-sequitur comments.

Am beginning to think we don’t use the same Bible.

Mine is represented by such translations as the

KJV,
NIV,
AMPLIFIED,
MESSAGE

I gather yours was ‘translated’ [using the term exceedingly loosely] by

REPLACEMENTARIAN INC.

[just me]

You don’t recognize the KJV? That is mostly what I read.. I kind of feel sorry for you... You laugh at people. You use news paper head lines in your assessments.. I use scripture. You use Bible Codes when the Bible says not to add or take away. If I am so wrong please feel free to explain the scriptures that I have posted.... Teach me...

[just me]

By the way I won’t be home today, I am getting ready to meet my new grand nephew... Thank God he has hope in the world.... May God Bless....

[BuckeyeTexan]

Good conversation tonight.

I’ll follow up tomorrow on those o/s points. Goodnight, see you then.

Eyelids very droopy. Brain very mushy. :)

[RegulatorCountry]

Quix has some unusual and very diverse interests, but to me at least, his Christianity is not in doubt. You’re being very unfair.

As far as Bible Codes, how is this adding to or taking away? They’re there, and have been known to be there for going on close to a thousand years or more. Jewish tradition states that all that has ever been and ever will be is contained in Torah, our Pentaeuch. Isaac Newton spend the best part of his life searching for codes in the Bible. The Enigma Code was broken with the help of a Jew who studied those codes and recognized “ELS” codes there, in the Bible or Torah.

Where the trouble comes in, is in attempting to interpret these things. I’ve honestly begun to think that this represents the sealed book of Daniel and Revelation, myself.

As far as the KJV, I prefer it myself. A lot of people were persecuted and died to make that translation possible. It’s beautiful, like poetry, almost Shakespearean. But, it’s not the only true Bible out there. Perhaps Quix prefers to refer back to contemporary translations from the original languages?