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No Salvation Outside the Church
Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner

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To: big'ol_freeper
As soon as we hit the shores of merry old England, be sure to let us all know. Until then...


221 posted on 06/28/2009 11:54:29 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

whereas a document written solely by man and without divine guidance is?


222 posted on 06/28/2009 11:54:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
...whereas a document written solely by man and without divine guidance is?

Leave the Institutes of Christian Religion out of this.

223 posted on 06/28/2009 11:56:57 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier

He’s a member of the Roman Catholic church. (Watch this.)


224 posted on 06/28/2009 11:58:12 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

ROTFL!!!


225 posted on 06/28/2009 11:58:15 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: big'ol_freeper
“You keep pointing out my blindness and I get really unhinged about it”.

Well, Fitzgerald's "Eckleburg" was a failed oculist, so perhaps poor vision is a factor.

226 posted on 06/28/2009 11:58:16 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RobRoy

Amen.


227 posted on 06/28/2009 11:58:59 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: bdeaner
I really tried to read the article......................

Now that thief that hung beside Christ DID not need Peter or a church to receive salvation. AND further more at HIS death there was a miracle that took place wherein it was NO longer required that any be saved through a flesh priest/being when the veil of the holy of holies was rent from TOP to bottom.

Aside from alll this CHURCH guilt there are seven churches listed in the book of Revelation and who has the ‘key’ and who has not and who left their first LOVE.

228 posted on 06/28/2009 11:59:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: Iscool
Yes it did...It dropped right out of heaven...

Show me in the Bible where it says the Bible dropped out of the sky. Or ANY proof for that matter.
229 posted on 06/28/2009 11:59:37 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: driftdiver

“I didn’t know you could leave Hell. Is there a toll at the gate or something?”

I’ll let you know. Is that you tailgating me?


230 posted on 06/28/2009 12:00:35 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

“I’ll let you know. Is that you tailgating me?”

No its me trying to get you to turn around.


231 posted on 06/28/2009 12:03:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Petronski; driftdiver; PugetSoundSoldier
Indulgences do not obtain forgiveness of sins or salvation.

According to the Roman Catholic Baltimore catechism...

Q. 839. What is an Indulgence?

A. An Indulgence is the remission in whole or in part of the temporal punishment due to sin.

The RC hopes to get around the uncomfortable, anti-Scriptural position of his church by saying the "remission of sin" is not the same thing as "forgiving a sin."

Are we buying that one? Anyone? Anyone?

232 posted on 06/28/2009 12:05:27 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The RC hopes to get around the uncomfortable, anti-Scriptural position of his church by saying the "remission of sin" is not the same thing as "forgiving a sin."

Why would the reformed Calvinist do that? Calvinists don't have any teachings on sin or punishment, just a check to see whether or not you're a star-bellied Sneech (predestined to heaven) or one of the Sneeches with no stars upon thars (those poor souls Cauvin's little pocket deity created solely for the purpose of eternal damnation in the lake of fire).

233 posted on 06/28/2009 12:08:01 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Getting back to the Catholic Church, though, there is no conflict between what I said, what the answer you posted said, and what Scripture says.

Thanks for the help.


234 posted on 06/28/2009 12:09:08 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: driftdiver

“No its me trying to get you to turn around.”

Good one!

I’ll be just fine though, and so will you, but I appreciate the sentiment.


235 posted on 06/28/2009 12:09:37 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Petronski
And the repetition of your error does not make that error correct.

Remember, here in the sunny U.S.A., God is...


236 posted on 06/28/2009 12:09:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I assure you that God is not making that obscene gesture to me.

Perhaps Cauvin’s little pocket deity is who you meant.


237 posted on 06/28/2009 12:10:30 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
Again you show yourself to be incapable of defending your faith. Instead you play word games. RC is not "reformed Calvinist." (Oh, dear Lord, would that that were true.)

RC stands for "Roman Catholic." You.

238 posted on 06/28/2009 12:11:48 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
RC stands for "Roman Catholic." You.

I'm not a Roman Catholic. I've told you time and time again, I've never been to Italy.

239 posted on 06/28/2009 12:13:09 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
Calvinists don't have any teachings on sin or punishment,

LOL. Usually the slander is that Calvinists worry too much about sin and punishment.

But since Calvinists, like all Bible-believing Christians, base their beliefs on the infallible word of God, they most certainly do have a lot of teachings about sin and punishment. All men sin every day. By the grace of God alone believers in Jesus Christ have been forgiven their sins by the one-time sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross, and thus they are saved by the righteousness of Christ being freely imputed to them according to the will and purpose of the Triune God.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: neverthless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." -- Galatians 2:16-21


For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified...

Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:14,18


"(God) hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" -- 2 Timothy 1:9


240 posted on 06/28/2009 12:26:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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