No Salvation Outside the Church

Catholic Answers ^ | 12/05 | Fr. Ray Ryland

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Mary did not “cooperate” in saving anyone’s soul but her own.

[Petronski]

So you’re looking for a reference in the Bible that says we can interpret the Bible as we wish?

It doesn't say that. It says quite the opposite (a significant problem for the free-for-all Deal-a-Meal protestant approach to Scripture).

That parts of it don’t mean what they say.

No no no. The problem is that parts of it don't mean what YOU say they mean.

[Petronski]

Mary did not “cooperate” in saving anyone’s soul but her own.

You have stated your error succinctly.

[Petronski]

And where in Scripture are we told that priests become “another Christ” (alter Christus)?In truth, we are told just the opposite of that.

You don't even know what it means.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

It is a succinct rebuke to Rome's and your colossal error. There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved.

Flee from idolatry.

[Petronski]

There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved.

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

Your little emoticon is the gesture known as "the bird" in many parts of the world.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Where in the Bible does it say that Scripture is only divined by men in the Vatican?

And where in the Scripture does it call for the Papacy?

[Petronski]

I'm not going to bother with your moot questions or, as I said last night, fence with you in a game of Scriptural Deal-a-Meal.

If you want to learn about the teachings of Catholic Church, here you go.

If you want to learn about what the Catholic Church does NOT teach, keep reading the anti-Catholic dreck around here.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

But I presume Father Kenneth Baker knows what that means...

THE AMAZING GIFT OF THE PRIESTHOD.
by Father Kenneth Baker

"...Simply stated, the Catholic priest is another Christ. Through his ordination he has been granted the amazing gift of being a channel of divine grace for the eternal salvation of those he come into contact with — both in his official ministry and in his personal life..."

Astoundingly blasphemous.

"Another Christ...in his official ministry and in his personal life."

No wonder small children are cowered into submission when "another Christ" confronts them.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

Eight years of Catholic grade school. Four years of Catholic high school. A mother-in-law who is the director of Christian education at the local Catholic church (also directs RCIA). Two cousins (by marriage) who are ordained Catholic priests. Hundreds of hours of deep, theological discussion.

I know what the Catholic church preaches. I also know what the Bible says, and how the two are in disagreement in many ways.

Apparently you do not...

[Petronski]

Astoundingly blasphemous.

Uh, no.

People reading this should not take this repeated quotation of one paragraph from one book to mean the Catholic Church teaches that each priest is some fresh Christ, some new adjunct to the Holy Trinity.

That is NOT the meaning of the term or the teaching.

[RFEngineer]

“The Catholic Church is “the single and exclusive channel by which the truth and grace of Christ enter our world of space and time””

Of COURSE he says this, otherwise, why have a Catholic Church at all? There has to be an element of “one true path to salvation” in every denomination or else why would that denomination exist at all?

But, if someone, anyone thinks they can stand between you and your own salvation, I posit that they probably have a self-interest in making you think that is so. Maybe the Catholic Church is that, maybe it isn’t. But there is no profit in doubt, so all churches must say they are the “one true path” to some degree.

I suspect God doesn’t care if you are a Ford man, or a Chevy man, as long as you are driving on the right road.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

the gesture known as "the bird"

lol. No, it's not. It means "I'm watching you."

Pray for eyes to see.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

“Fresh” is not a word I would use in that situation.

[Petronski]

Eight years of Catholic grade school. Four years of Catholic high school. A mother-in-law who is the director of Christian education at the local Catholic church (also directs RCIA). Two cousins (by marriage) blah blah blah blah blah . . . I know what the Catholic Church preaches.

Then why in the world are you asking me?

I also know what the Bible says, and how the two are in disagreement in many ways.

The Catholic Church may well disagree with your own personal interpretation of Scripture in a thousand different ways.

I don't care.

[driftdiver]

“The problem is that parts of it don’t mean what YOU say they mean.”

I think the reverse is true, you are interpreting the Bible to say Christ created the Catholic Church. The Bible clearly does not say that. So you are the one saying the Bible is wrong and that your (the RC) interpretation of reading meaning into the words is the only correct way.

Sounds like you are the one who has a problem with Sola Scriptura.

[Petronski]

No, it's not.

Sure it is.

You continue to repeat a vulgar gesture to me (not that I'm surprised...after all, I am Catholic).

[driftdiver]

“And where in the Scripture does it call for the Papacy?”

Right after it says Christ created the Catholic church. Before it dictates that Churches and Priests must wear gilded robes.

[Petronski]

The Bible clearly does not say that.

This is your own personal interpretation of Scripture.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What a fascinating study in deflection and lies. It's not a "vulgar gesture" and it has nothing to do with birds.

I'm watching you.