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Liberty's champion: On his 500th birthday, two cheers for John Calvin
WORLD Magazine ^ | July 04, 2009 | Marvin Olasky

Posted on 06/19/2009 7:09:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: wmfights

You posted a comment on a public forum and I replied.


461 posted on 06/22/2009 10:01:06 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski
I'm here to correct the anti-Catholic lies.

I can dream.

462 posted on 06/22/2009 10:02:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: blue-duncan; Frumanchu

Maybe.


463 posted on 06/22/2009 10:03:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
I'm here to correct the anti-Catholic lies.

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And for that you have my heartfelt gratitude.

464 posted on 06/22/2009 10:05:19 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Petronski; Frumanchu
submit myself to her cross-examination

lol. So far you're batting zero. You get EVERYTHING wrong.

465 posted on 06/22/2009 10:05:31 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And yet you have no rebuttal for any of the points brought up.

I've rebutted the same sorry list of lies more times than I can count. It's like Groundhog Day.

You just ignore the questions or spit back snide remarks.

I do not submit myself to your interrogation, no matter how much that refusal irritates you.

We will be judged by the words we speak.

Yes, we will be judged by Christ, the founder and leader of the Catholic Church.

Thus you should learn Scripture and not the RCC catechism.

You should cast aside the Institutes of Christian Religion and return to the God of Scripture. I know nothing of any RCC catechism.

466 posted on 06/22/2009 10:05:32 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
You get EVERYTHING wrong.

As that "snide remark" emanates from the Bizarro world of Jean Cauvin, I'd say I'm doing just fine.

467 posted on 06/22/2009 10:07:03 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I can dream.

Your dream is a nightmare. There are no lies in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Sorry to disappoint you.

468 posted on 06/22/2009 10:08:58 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Frumanchu
The counter Reformation never ended.

I think we see the extremes of it here because of the anonymity of the internet.

The majority of the RC's I know don't know half of the stuff their church proclaims. In many cases the only reason they are still members is because it has been a family practice. I think a great many of them would say no way to a state church.

469 posted on 06/22/2009 10:09:02 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: trisham

Thank you for the kind words.


470 posted on 06/22/2009 10:09:53 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski; Frumanchu; wmfights; HarleyD; blue-duncan; suzyjaruki; Marysecretary; Alex Murphy; ...
Thankfully, very few people miss the pattern of your debates. Somehow you're saying I must believe the July hearings on Red Sonja's appointment to the Supreme Court have already taken place.

On the contrary, I am faced with the disgusting prospect, given the numbers in Congress, that this socialist, probably lesbian, will be the SIXTH Roman Catholic out of NINE members on the U.S. Supreme Court.

Rather than discussing something substantive, you choose to belabor the fact that this likely appointee is not YET a member of the USSC.

Again, what do you think the odds are that she will NOT be presiding over our Constitution?

For all intents and purposes, there are going to be SIX Roman Catholic Supreme Court justices on the USSC, which is a dismal, pathetic statistic, IMO.

But I do appreciate your bringing this up constantly because the more people's eyes are opened to the truth of this ridiculously lopsided count, the less likely they'll be hoodwinked into think the RCC is somehow a poor, picked-on bunch of Barry Fitzgeralds when in fact, it is a decayed, decrepit institution which produces fascists, foul-mouthed apologists, pederasts, and (in spite of it) the occasional saint of Christ who will ultimately leave Rome for the truth of Scripture at a time of God's choosing.

As God wills.

471 posted on 06/22/2009 10:17:49 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Somehow you're saying I must believe the July hearings on Red Sonja's appointment to the Supreme Court have already taken place.

I said no such thing. I said you stated in the present tense that there are six Catholics on the Supreme Court. In reality, there are five.

The odds that she will be are irrelevant, because you were not dealing in the future tense, but in the present tense.

Currently, in realityville, there are five Catholic Justices on the Supreme Court. Step into the light.

472 posted on 06/22/2009 10:23:59 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Marysecretary; suzyjaruki; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy; ...
1) As my husband reminds me, nobody gets it all right.

Smart guy.

A perfect explanation of why we each need to decide what is the final authority we rely on.

2) I think Calvin's acceptance of the idea of her "perpetual virginity" was more a sign of the times. Let's remember most outlandish. anti-Scriptural Mariology -- that Mary was assumed bodily into heaven; that Mary hears and grants prayers; that Mary redeems sinners along with her Son; and that Mary was immaculately conceived herself without original sin --

I think the perpetual virginity is not a big issue, just poor reading of Scripture. The last three are big problems that she hears and grants prayers, she redeems sinners and was conceived without sin. All these lead away from not to Jesus.

473 posted on 06/22/2009 10:24:51 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Petronski
Now for the third time, please stop pinging me.
474 posted on 06/22/2009 10:28:18 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Petronski
Any time, friend.
475 posted on 06/22/2009 10:28:35 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wmfights

Now for the third time, this is a public forum.


476 posted on 06/22/2009 10:29:16 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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...she redeems sinners...

There is no such teaching of the Catholic Church.

What was submitted as a proposal to Pope John Paul the Great:

When the Church invokes Mary under the title, "Coredemptrix", she means that Mary uniquely participated in the redemption of the human family by Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Saviour. At the Annunciation (cf.Lk.1:38) Mary freely cooperated in giving the Second Person of the Trinity his human body which is the very instrument of redemption, as Scripture tells us: "We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Heb.10:10).

And at the foot of the cross of our Saviour (Jn.19:26), Mary's intense sufferings, united with those of her Son, as Pope John Paul II tells us, were, "also a contribution to the Redemption of us all" (Salvifici Doloris, n.25). Because of this intimate sharing in the redemption accomplished by the Lord, the Mother of the Redeemer is uniquely and rightly referred to by Pope John Paul II and the Church as the "Coredemptrix."

It is important to note that the prefix "co" in the title Coredemptrix does not mean "equal to" but rather "with", coming from the Latin word cum. The Marian title Coredemptrix never places Mary on a level of equality with her Divine Son, Jesus Christ. Rather it refers to Mary's unique human participation which is completely secondary and subordinate to the redeeming role of Jesus, who alone is true God and true Man.
was not accepted, in part because it would be too easily be misinterpreted (for whatever motive).
477 posted on 06/22/2009 10:34:57 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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The majority of the RC's I know don't know half of the stuff their church proclaims.

I used to think perhaps that was true. But I don't believe that anymore. I've talked to too many Roman Catholics in real life to believe they are being kept in the dark. For the most part, they ALL know what their church teaches and they all believe it, lock, stock and barrel. They question very little. They are comfortable in what they're being told because the answers are all given to them. They don't have to think things through. They are taught NOT to question authority, but to submit to it without without inquiry. That's why so many RCs know EXACTLY what their church teaches, but they know almost nothing of what Scripture teaches.

Ask any Roman Catholic about Mary. They all know the drill about her being an "intercessor" and a "dispensatrix of all grace." They ALL pray the Rosary. They know.

Ask them about the Lord's Supper. They all believe they are cannibalizing the body of Christ, which is contrary to God's word. They like the fact they think they are materialistically taking in the body and blood of Christ.

They all believe that unless a person participates in this ritual administered by "another Christ," they are damned.

They all pray to dead people.

They all confess their sins to a man in drag and they all believe that man has the power to forgive them so that when they walk out of the confession booth they are cleansed of all sin...until the next time they sin, and thus the endless, uncompromising cycle begins again.

They all believe their prayers take days off of dead people's stay in "purgatory."

They all believe their priests to be "another Christ," an "alter Christus."

They all believe most non-Roman Catholics are going to hell because they believe their magisterium is infallible when it tells them there is no salvation outside the church in Rome.

They all believe their own good works will redeem them which sadly negates the truth of Christ's justification of His flock.

They know. They like believing a lie. It appeals to men's fallen nature whereby they want to elevate themselves by their own righteousness.

They know. Ask them.

478 posted on 06/22/2009 10:40:39 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights
I've asked you once to stop pinging me. Please stop.

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If someone responds to your posts, they are not "pinging" you. If you don't want to "speak" to another poster, don't.

479 posted on 06/22/2009 10:41:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
They all believe they are cannibalizing the body of Christ...

Wholesale slander. "Cannibalizing" is your obscene epithet, a product of your distortion of Catholic teaching.

480 posted on 06/22/2009 10:43:14 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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