Posted on 06/14/2009 1:53:07 PM PDT by NYer
Serious character flaws don’t merit a benediction. Before it’s all said and done Cutie will end being as unfaithful to the divorced bimbo he allowed to seduce him as he has been to Christ.
Poor comprehension on your part.
She should be worried. If he can’t keep his vow with God whats the chances of honoring his marriage vow?
Thanks for your kind thoughts...
Where ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise.
I'm sadly amused at people; who whether they be Roman Catholic,and believe in purgatory, or if they be subscribers to that unfortunate segment of Protestantism which cannot be certain of salvation; can be and often are highly certain of another’s eternal damnation.
Will Wallace
well, it appears he didn’t believe in much of anything. And she’s in for an ugly reality, marriage is hard work, and his past behavior shows he jumps ship when things get hard.
Celibacy has nothing to do with Pedophilia. Extremely few, if any, Catholic priests have been guilty of Pedophilia. What priests have been found guilty of is called "Ephebophilia- which is sex with teen age boys. This is because as many have reported, ( Cozzens, Greeley, McBride ) of the significant number of homosexually oriented men in the priesthood. It is possible that a more significant number of married priests might reduce the incidence of Ephebophilia by the homosexually oriented but that is questionable as they tend to form their own culture to which the heterosexuals do not relate. It is hard to argue any relationship between celibacy and pedophilia (or Ephebophilia) other than the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual men in the priesthood.
If one subtracts the foreign imports, there is anything but great numbers of men entering the priesthood. The idea that a married priest is any less capable of service to the Church is an insult to those married in other rites and the married men in Protestant Churches who are "converting Catholics to Christ" away from the Church where they were so poorly instructed because of the shortage of priests. Now if their celibacy is more important than the mission of the Church, then I guess that's OK.
Not at all! In fact, the majority of married priest converts from the Episcopal Church, say they have a better appreciation for the vow of celibacy. Since marriage is the first vow taken, the married priest must place his wife before the parish. Not so for the celibate priests who can and do devote most of their time to the parish community.
A few possible explanation could be drawn from this statement. Not sure what you are getting at. Need to clarify.
My feeling is, the above statement maybe a reflection of our home grown American contraceptive mentality, where a family has an average of something like 1.3 kids. Naturally, giving up a kid to serve the church is tough. Perhaps we need to learn from those backward immigrants about bigger families like we once had and still live a poor but joyful life, and able to give a kid or 2 out of maybe 3 or 4, instead of 1.3
Not sure you are implying that "foreign born" trained priests trained by American seminaries are of inferior quality. You will have to clarify for the discussion. If I simply look at the stats, at my diocesan level, over 50% of seminarians are foreign born, so you are right about the stats. But at the parish level, at least at my parish, 2 out of 3 aspiring seminarians are foreign born, they came here like under 5 years old and, for all intent and purpose, they are like home grown Americans to me.
Indeed.
Take my pastor, he is on the “first to call” list from the county hospital simply because our parish is less than 10 blocks away. The county hospital has a trauma unit and lots of gun shot cases. If he was married, getting the extra calls from the county in the middle of the night more than once a week would be a real drag.
Practically, I cannot see it happening. Is it a possibility? These are the hurdles.
1. His new marriage would be illicit. He’d have to normalize it. When Protestants convert, their marriage needs no normalization. When Catholics defect in order to get married, however, they have a problem.
2. His holy orders are invalidated by his marriage. Anglican priests accepted into the Catholic Church need to have a valid priesthood. That’s normally rare, since they have to establish apostolic succession through their entire lineage of ordination, with every member in the succession being possibly schismatic, but not apostate. In his case, he, himself, invalidated his orders.
3. He’s excommunicated. He’d have to get absolved by his bishop, at least. I think the Vatican needs to be involved, though, because he was a priest.
4. Should he attempt to repent, and be absolved, and un-excommunicated (?!) and his orders somehow found to be valid, his persistence in his current, married state would make it hard to believe sincerity. He’d probably need to get the marriage annulled.
Unfair to whom? Certainly not to the priest who chooses to be celibate. Maybe it is not fair to some of those not religious, and therefore not living in community, who all too frequently become unhappy, bitter old men, who take their frustrations out on their parishioners or on younger priests. An article I was reading today in Fortune Small Business says that 60% of those who leave a company quit a boss rather than quit the company. Did anyone ever ask why the 10,000 American priests who resigned did so - the presumption is marriage, but the reality may be because of the pastor or bishop, or the fear they would end up like some of the old priests they had to deal with. Would be an interesting study. Most good priests are not in the priesthood for themselves but rather for a rightly idealistic desire to serve the people. Many leave, I suspect, not for selfish reasons but because their desire to serve became the obligation to obey, which they would have gladly done in the interest of service but not in the interest if Episcopal control.
If celibacy is unfair it is to the people who are deprived of good priestly service.
There are no hurdles for Cutie. He has been excommunicated.
Father Alberto excommunicated himself by becoming Episcopalian, Miami archbishop says
Gridlock ... pinged you here in response to your comment on the other thread.
I think this is done on a case-by-case basis. I think, in this particular case, the answer will be a firm "no".
“well, it appears he didnt believe in much of anything. And shes in for an ugly reality, marriage is hard work, and his past behavior shows HE JUMPS SHIP WHEN THINGS GET HARD.
Point taken!
My take is, why should catholics settle for second or third best burnt out priests? There are physical limits. We as a prolife group could easily afford to supply a fresh team of celibate priests full time if we so choose. Why shouldn't we go for the best? Why would you settle for less?
Don't get me started by citing protestants. They have a poor track record of going with the lowest common denominator, on many issues.
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