Posted on 03/09/2009 9:39:53 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
6. Public schools.
7. The media.
The bible says there will be a “falling away” before the Lord returns so this is actually good news.
The interesting thing here is the RISE in the number of Catholics and “generic” Christians and the DROP in the number of “mainstream” Protestants.
I think THAT is the REAL statistical factor which his analysis ignores.
The fact of the matter is “mainstream” Protestants, far more than the Catholic CHurch or generic Christians, have fallen victim to socialist humanism - adopting homosexuality and abortion as norms, along with the kind of dogmatic pacifism which would have amazed their antecedents.
Christians need a church like the Catholic Church or fundamentalist Protestant Churchs which draw a clear line of distinction between morality an dimmorality and defend and support traditional American values.
The Methodists, Presbyterians and Episcopalians - at least their leadership - no longer due so, and their congregations are voting with their feet and their tithes.
In the meatime, the viper of Islam lies in wait to bite the heels of future generations.
Upside down heathens just walk away from loans. Heathens with money will do anything to get more, lots more.
By the way, when's Madoff going to jail?
Funny, I would have attributed it to exactly the opposite cause - the average education level (or, more accurately, actual knowledge level) of the American population as a whole is going down. This is concomitant with a steady drop in the ability of American to use logic and reason. My church is in an extremely well-educated, economically above-average county and our congregation reflects this - even though we're a true-to-life fundamentalist Baptist church - the average IQ of our congregation would definitely be above the national average, as would our education level, and concurrently our ability to rationally defend the faith against all comers.
The problem is that most of the people who we're rationally defending the faith to - including many self-professed atheists - are not themselves capable of using reason. I've seen this first hand on many occasions. Emotion guides their thinking. They reject Christianity because it would keep them from doing something they want to do. Often, what they're rejecting is not even authentic Christianity, but a media-created caricature, which they've never bothered to rationally assess versus the real thing.
No, sorry, the problem isn't that the country's getting too "smart" for Christianity. If anything, it's just the opposite - the country's getting too dumb for it. The country's getting to the point where our publik skools are churning out hordes of mouth-breathers who can't think, can't reason, couldn't understand the ins-and-outs of theological doctrines well enough to truly decide whether they believe them. And the colleges are the same way. We need to understand that intelligence and the ability to think are not necessarily correlative with increasing education, even when you get to the advanced degrees, even when you're talking about "hard" subjects like the sciences. I've met plenty of science PhDs who struck me as being dumb as a pile of bricks, and left me wondering who in their right mind would give them a doctorate.
Christianity is a leap of faith that many are not strong enough to take. It’s especially hard for the type of people that seeing is believing.
Once you take the leap, you personally experience God in your life.
My husband and I are engineers. We both love science and are the type to only believe things we see.
I took the leap of faith in Christianity, but my husband didn’t. He can’t get over the fact that he can’t touch and feel God. I know he questions this because he thinks maybe God has been involved in some aspects of our lives.
There are plenty of “Christians” that turn me (and especially my husband) off of Christianity. However, the people that are routinely the nicest most self-sacrificing people I know are strong Christians. They are humble and kind to everyone. To me, they are strongest witness to Christ by their behavior.
“Ethically, Christianity teaches effeminate, sacrificial self-loathing— I’d rather have a beer with Christopher Hitchens than Andrew Sullivan.”
So where does your sense of morality come from? If we are descendants of animals, we can act like them as well, right? Why not? From that perspective, right and wrong becomes modifiable and up to individuals because it has no foundation.
Truth is, without God, there is no morality. The result of kicking God out is what you see today in the world. And it will get worse...
“My husband and I are engineers. We both love science and are the type to only believe things we see.”
I am also an engineer and know exactly what you mean. However, for me seeing the works of God in my life is enough. Someone said to me one time just because you can’t see something doesn’t mean it is not there. Wind and gravity are good examples.
Try listening to Chuck Missler if you get a chance. He is the author of Learning the Bible in 24 Hours. He is a Phd and has a strong background in science and engineering. He presents Scripture with a science perspective.
God Bless and good luck!
I think a lot of people just see themselves as being their own authority even if they have a basic belief in God and are not militant atheists. That’s why there is an increase in kind of loosey-goosey feel good about yourself therapeutic churches, wicca, etc. because they are not strongly authoritarian (strong dos and don’ts in the belief system.
Being raised Roman Catholic, I am far from exemplary in its practice, but I do see (I wish I were ignorant, it’s so blissful)the connection between our Judeo-Christian heritage and the classical liberal foundations this country and Western civilization in general was built on.
Liberal democracy did not happen under the auspices of an Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, or animist civilization—but under a Christian one. Opponents can go scream and cry about the religious wars that followed the Reformation or the Inquisition or even the Crusades, but that doesn’t take anything away from the progress that was made—the intellectual jump that was required to develop a classical liberal democracy. Western thought from the ancient Greeks to the scholastics to the philosphers from DeCartes onward provided the trampoline upon which to make that jump.
I don’t see that trampoline being provided in an Islamic or Buddhist millieu.
Me too. This is just something that keeps repeating itself in my mind. I'm not a natural evangelist. But I'm convinced that this is where I need to focus my attention.
With the shift of only a few percent you can see that the two parties no longer even share a common political language. At one time you could easily find believers in both parties; and as a result there was a common language between us even if we differed widely on policy. But as one party has steadily squeezed its believers out, the common language has broken down.
That is what has struck me lately, not just that we differ on policy but that there seems no longer to be a common language, there seem no longer to be any common fundamentals, no common understanding of history, no common understanding of essential morality, no common understanding of the purposes of life itself.
In the conversations I've had with friends in the Obama camp, and the Clinton camp before that, what I've found is that persuasion was impossible. It wasn't just that they were wrong about the facts, which is solvable, but that they view the facts through a completely different lens. Thats a deeper problem. That you don't solve with a debate about policy.
Exactly what I thought when I heard it on the radio this morning. :)
That is so true!
That sounds like it’d be a good thing for someone to write about! ;)
I don’t think that missionaries that risk their lives in Muslem countries or in China are feminized. I think that is fairly “badass”. I personally know of people that were jailed in a Muslem country because they were suspected of preaching the Gospel.
Those missionaries are willing to give up their lives to preach the Gospell of Christ to unreached people groups.
I think they are amazing!
That is why I’m choosing to leave my cradle denomination and join the Orthodox Church, where I have found humility, spiritual growth with historical roots, and a true reverence to the Triune God. I’m tired of the “I’m going it alone” and “a’ la carte Christianity” that we’ve chosen as a society.
The Bible also says that the Lord wishes that no soul be lost. Remember the Parable of the Good Shepherd? I prefer to believe in a loving God, instead of a wrathful God.
You make some good points. Christianity does promote socialism to some extent most of the Catholics I know are darn-near communists. And the pussiness is there too, as if somehow, being a spiritual person ( and I find this even more prevalent in eastern religions and new age ), means that one should never have an angry feeling. That is nuts. God did say that he would rather have people hot ( angry) or cold, but not lukewarm. Another problem think is our cultures confusion of love with codependency. This is due, in part, to Christianity itself. True ove is not always kind and yielding, but sometimes must be fierce, and even hurtful.
They say that man who stood in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square was a Christian.
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