Posted on 02/18/2009 10:27:57 AM PST by NYer
Dascle needs to be included.
The petition is generic. It names no specific individual but only uses the phrase rominent Catholics in public life.
That s/b “prominent”. My apologies.
PING FOR LATER
WONDERFUL!
I hope every priest in the land encourages it.
I guess I’m expecting priests and bishops to deny communion because it is the teaching of the church. Popular opinion scares me when it comes to law and theology.
certainly, no one on earth knows another persons heart & soul as only God does.
however, certainly Pelosi and Biden (the two highest-level self-proclaiming Catholic political leaders)are not in true communion with the Church through simple observation of their continued contradictory actions.
This is a great and profoundlty Catholic idea.
The Holy Community has two aspects (think of them as the two planks of the Cross). One is communion with Jesus Christ through His body and blood of the Sacrament. The other is with the fellow Catholics, on earth and in heaven, the entire Catholic Church.
Christ calls us to reconcile with your brother before bringing gifts to the altar (Mt 5:24). This has an implication that if one is an unrepentent assistant to murder, like the Madame Speaker, then communion with her is an impossibility. People should demand her excommunication, mark the parish where she receives her condemnation as unclean, and urge others to receive elsewhere.
Public excommunication would help in getting them unelected. But more to the point, it’s something that should be done to try to save their souls.
I’d like to see a similar movement regarding nominally Orthodox Christian politicians who support abortion (Sarbanes comes to mind, though he’s left public office).
I thought it was the individual who excommunicated himself/herself when he/she didn’t follow the tenets of their faith.
Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and John Kerry and Ted Kennedy excommunicated themselves. Now it’s up to the church’s priests, bishopes, archbishops and cardinals to withhold communion from them if they still follow a pro-abortion stance.
Right? If not, where did I miss it?
You mentioned the Church Militant and the Church Triumphant but forgot the Church Suffering. Don't fail to remember those souls in purgatory.
Yes, and Madame Baby Killer prolongs their suffering.
It is apart from a Holy Sacrament, it is a very practical way of helping remind people who we are accountable to and the need to be consciencious of our actions because He knows our heart.
I would say murder qualifies for a good confession prior to partaking in Holy Communion with God.
It is the equivalent of attending the Last Supper with Jesus, and showing up stinky, sloppy, with unraveled clothes, and dirty hands. We need to either clean up, or politely decline.
You are correct. The matter has to be grave to incur a sentance of excommunication, and abortion and heresy are the two that generally cause it. It is important to note that the church makes the pronouncement, as it did on these two issues, that if one believes, supports, condones, or assists, or commits it, they are excommunicated by the very act. It is very rare for a public excommunication to occur verbally.
Now, for the reasoning. The Church does this to show the person the error of their ways, so the may see that repenting and reconciling with the church is necessary. It is then up to the bishops and priests to withhold communion until a change of heart occurs, they renounce their former sins, and “go and sin no more” in this area. To do otherwise causes scandal within the church, and offends catholics who know this. This used to not be an issue as an excommunicated catholic would never even approach the altar when catechising on this issue was actually done. It is quite notable in this last 50 years or so, that the communion lines are way longer than the confessional lines. This is due to people confusing two things sin and choice. They call evil good and good evil. Add to that removal of personal responsibility and you have no sin, only choice. The most devious trick of the devil in our times is to convince many he does not exist, therefore,neither does sin. This does not square with the teaching of christ that god is the same, yesterday, today and ALWAYS.
While this is a foreign concept in America, many feel this is wrong or judgemental, perhaps casuing backlash towards the catholic church by many, the truth is, no one has a right to be catholic. If you do not hold the beliefs of the church, you are free to leave the church and become a member of a church that shares your belief. You do not have the right to expect the church to change its beliefs to fit yours. The church can only teach truth, the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. If that were to happen, then the bible, God and all truth would be at the very least, questionable. No, the fact that the catholic church will NOT bend on dogma, ever, should give all christians a sense of peace about that issue. Many have tried, many popes were martyred,and many schisms occurred, the catholic church is constantly the butt of jokes, scorn, and hatred in this world, yet they will not change to fit into it. If you don’t like it, or believe it, you are not forced to, but it remains and lack of belief will not change that.
Senator Ted Kennedy condition is worsening. I wonder if there will be problems with his funeral because of his anti-Catholic stands?
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