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Obama has first telephone conversation with the Pope
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| December 13, 2008
| Richard Owen
Posted on 11/13/2008 6:27:56 AM PST by NYer
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To: marshmallow
What’s your point exactly ?
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:23:23 AM PST
by
mick
To: Huber
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:31:56 AM PST
by
TaxRelief
(Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
To: NYer
Bishop Malooly is right and wrong at the same time. Sure, the Eucharist should not be "politicized." But it also shouldn't be "sacrilegiously profaned," nor should the inherently and notoriously unworthy recipient be allowed to further imperil his own immortal soul by continuing to receive Communion without sacramenatl confession (and, in the case of Biden, the lifting of the latae sententiae excommunication under which he now lives), nor should a public figure like Biden be allowed to receive Communion under his present circumstances due to the inevitable scandal to the faithful.
Do any of these things matter to the good bishop and his fellow bishops?
Burying their heads in the sand, hoping this will go away, is not going to solve anything. Meanwhile, their inaction contributes to the draining away of the faithful due to the stench of "hypocrisy" over this and similar issues. It's not "rocket science" to do the math of the state of grace. These guys need to sit down and figure out just what it means to "shepherd" a flock. The historical actions and life stories of just about any bishop of the first four centuries of the Church ought to be a good place to start reading, if they wish to get a clue.
Oy!
To: NYer
The Didache, probably the earliest Christian writing apart from the New Testament, explicitly condemns abortion without exceptions. It tells us there is a "way of life" and a "way of death" and abortion is a part of the way of death.Very true, and one of the great things that Christians can do is to get it read by as many people as possible.
To: NYer
O no doubt demanded that the Pope kiss his ring.
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:52:53 AM PST
by
freedomlover
(Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
To: murphE
Those who advocate for the killing of innocent babies, from conception forward, are unfaithful to Christ.
To: sitetest
Obama and the Pope met once before. Here is the photo:
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:54:34 AM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Michael Savage = Tokio Rose of Talk Radio = Purpose is to Demoralize the Right)
To: exile
The Pope works for Heaven. Obama works for Hell.
To: NYer
The “Anti-Christ” and The “Vicar of Christ” Who will prevail?
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:56:26 AM PST
by
Don Corleone
(Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
To: trisham; marshmallow
If that was intended to be funny, it failed miserably. Tis almost the season...
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:59:24 AM PST
by
vox_freedom
(G K Chesterton: "If there were no God, there would be no atheists.")
To: NYer
Seems that Bishop Malooly has forgotten about being a Bishop which does not mean siding with any human being not acting in a Catholic way. Being a Bishop means standing unhesitantly to his oath to Our Lord Jesus Christ to defend the Catholic Faith and save the souls of the faithful.
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posted on
11/13/2008 7:59:32 AM PST
by
Gerish
(Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
To: mick; trisham; verga; Ransomed
Whats your point exactly ? Wow........a hornets' net!
I guess I was attempting to parody the extreme anti-Catholic element which is hyper-sensitive to Catholic involvement in public life and views with suspicion any conversation between a US President and the Vatican. Anti-Catholic conspiracy lovers, IOW.
Didn't mean to offend Catholics, or anyone for that matter!
Oh well.......off to the general forum where it's a little less intense........
To: al_c
I wish these yahoos would realize it's not about politicizing or banning ... it's about the person's eternal soul. By receiving the eucharist in a state of sin, they are bringing eternal judgment upon themselves. It's about protecting their eternal life.These 'yahoos' are your church leaders...Your spiritual leaders...
I don't know how you guys can bow down to a pope who condones this un-Christian/anti-Christian public policy...I mean this bishop alone sets the example for many thousands, correct???
Perhaps your pope, in his heart, agrees with the bishops who take up this position...How do you know for sure???
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:03:09 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: NYer
Press one to hold
Press two to wait for Jesus
Press three to talk to Satan
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:04:56 AM PST
by
Eye of Unk
(Aleutica, the new name of Free Alaska)
To: NYer; All
All y'all bitchin' about how Bp. Malooly hasn't done anything about Lyin' Biden ... I have news for you:
Bishop Malooly doesn't read FR. Neither do his flunkies.
His flunkies do, however, read his mail. They may even pass some of it on to him.
So don't just sit around on FR moaning ... clean it up, write it up on paper, and send it to the Bishop. Even if you're not Catholic ... I'm sure he's all into "ecumenism" ... he wants to hear from you, too.
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:08:56 AM PST
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: Iscool
As I Knight, I support our priests and bishops. But I'll also call a situation or statement as I see it. Maybe "yahoo" is going a bit far, but the rest of my comment stands. It's not about punishing someone by withholding communion ... it's about protecting them. If they receive in a state of sin, the damage to their soul is worsened. The priests and bishops would be doing them a favor by withholding.
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:33:01 AM PST
by
al_c
(Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
To: al_c
“As I Knight” = As a Knight
/sigh
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:36:43 AM PST
by
al_c
(Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
To: NYer
The bishop was quoted as saying that "the Eucharist must not be politicised". Certainly not. But the bishop is obliged to deny Communion to a person who has sinned grievously and publicly, such as a politician who votes in favors of legalized abortion. Not to put too fine a point on it, but such a person is an accessory to murder.
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:37:52 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
To: sitetest
That *IS* funny. I don't care what you say.
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:39:36 AM PST
by
Jaded
("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
To: mlocher
Why are Pelosi and Kerry still allowed as members of the Catholic Church? Weak and cowardly bishops. Some are even fellow-travelers. Yes, sad to say, Christians, even Christian leaders, can be weak and sinful.
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posted on
11/13/2008 8:41:32 AM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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