Posted on 10/25/2008 7:00:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 1Co 13:5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Mockery may be an effective tool for fleshly matters, but I don't see where it's a virtue or a tool for use in the Christian arsenal.
Your search was invalid from the start. We’ve already acknowledged that Halloween is not in the Bible. And we do not celebrate it like the Pagans, this has already been gone over.
In the satiric story Jesus was celebrating it like most do today, with costumes, candy and costume parties. All nicey nicey. The question is: Would Jesus observe it in any way, shape or fashion? That's a rhetorical question. Of course he wouldn't. He had the opportunity to embrace the festival. It existed but he didn't acknowledge it. The only reason it's even considered Christian today is tradition. Twelve hundred years of wrong tradition is twelve hundred years of error.
Why am i not surprised. You don’t want to hear from me, but you can’t shut-the-hell-up.
As Ronald Reagan said, it’s not that liberals are ignorant, it’s that they know so much that isn’t so.
BTW...you’re a woman, aren’t you?
That's because you aren't relying on scripture for your doctrine. Your entire story about the purchase of sacrificed meat is extra-biblical, and probably as specious as any other story used to justify private interpretations.
In any case, you are reading an exception into the "strong and weak brother" scripture that is not justified by the scripture, because it isn't in the scripture.
I recognize that it's of course going to be imperfect because I'm an imperfect man trying to explain perfect spiritual concepts, but I'm willing to give it a go if you have the time and inclination.
Now you are starting to get to the focus of my questioning. I maintain your understanding is not imperfect because you are imperfect, but because you are wrong. What you need to recognize is that your understanding has gaps and flaws because your doctrine is wrong, not because you are imperfect.
The really insidious thing here is that you are so accustomed to accepting contradictions and confusion that you are front loading our discussion with the idea that you are imperfect, and therefore may be unable to defend an doctrine that is still true, even though you can't show it. That way, you can continue to believe what you currently believe, even if you lose the debate.
You've been trained to believe the problem is you, not bad doctrine.
I'm not sure what you're referring to? In what day?
You must be the only Christian I have ever met that does not know that passage refers to their day of judgement.
Do you want to present my proofs from scripture before you judge them wrong? I haven't done so yet, but if you want me to I will.
Now you are starting to get to the focus of my questioning. I maintain your understanding is not imperfect because you are imperfect, but because you are wrong. What you need to recognize is that your understanding has gaps and flaws because your doctrine is wrong, not because you are imperfect. The really insidious thing here is that you are so accustomed to accepting contradictions and confusion that you are front loading our discussion with the idea that you are imperfect, and therefore may be unable to defend an doctrine that is still true, even though you can't show it. That way, you can continue to believe what you currently believe, even if you lose the debate.
So far we haven't even had a debate. I think there is an objective truth in the bible that the spirit of Christ indwells in Christians. You apparently don't, yet rather than proving or disproving from scripture you're content to assert that I'm wrong and offer no alternative.
If you would like to present your case WHY you think scripture doesn't support an indwelling Christ in Christians than feel free. If you want me to present my case, let me know.
You must be the only Christian I have ever met that does not know that passage refers to their day of judgement.
You didn't quote a passage. What passage did you mean?
You just don’t want to get it. It’s OUR holiday now. The pagan history is 1200 years ago, they lost, we won, celebrate OUR holiday, don’t give it back.
I get it. Twelve hundred years of tradition trumps scripture and the example of our Lord Jesus Christ. I get it.
Yeah, candied apples were a rare and coveted treat, but plain apples were right at the bottom of the desirability list.
No 1200 years of ownership trumps what went on before. there’s nothing non-scriptural about celebrating holidays, having fun, and mocking pagans. Get over it.
I agree..
Since when does not going trick or treating on one night a year constitute "staying safe in your house" and not making disciples?
haloween is great chance for you to go out and witness and evangelize. don't cower in your home with the lights out. dress up as an apostle, dress your sons as joseph in his coat, or as david carrying a sheep. go as angels, as biblical musicians, shepherds, wise men..heck, organize a whole group and be a walking nativity scene.
Well again, Jesus Christ kept certain specific holy days, the days he created himself. He didn't sanction dressing up in costumes on a pagan holiday (no matter what they were) and evangelizing. If he wanted to do that he could have emulated the countless pagan holidays that were extant in his day. Yet he didn't. Scripture says the opposite:
3Jn 1:11 Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God.
And...
2Co 6:14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
We are to emulate Christ:
1Co 11:1 Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
and while you're out there, think about John 3:17. "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
Don't forget the next verses:
Joh 3:19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 "For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Joh 3:21 "But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God."
I think a more effective way to get through is to point out the error of imitating and emulating false forms of worship. When you're out there trick or treating you're one of the crowd. When you stand up boldly and say "This is wrong" you are standing up for the truth.
What days are you speaking of? Yule and the vernal equinox?
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Read the rest of chapter 23....
Yep
We don’t do halloween in the Biased household.
My kids 5,8,11 really don’t like that too much. The 11 year old has kinda figured it out.
Oh well, as they grow in thier Faith they will understand.
Do you observed Sabbath on Saturday? Do you observe Rosh Hashana? Do you observe Passover?
Jesus kept the holy days that he created. They are his holy days:
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
Jesus Christ, the Lord, God, calls these days "his". His days. They're not Jewish days. They're not man's days. They're His days.
Do you observed Sabbath on Saturday? Do you observe Rosh Hashana? Do you observe Passover?
Yes, yes and yes.
Not at all. I feel humbled that God has opened up my understanding on these truths. I feel awed that he called me, a lowly sinner, to be able to overcome culture and tradition and has given me the opportunity to observe his holy days. I do have many sins that I'm aware of and am trying to overcome and many more that I'm not aware of. Sin is sin in the eyes of God and I'm no better or worse than anyone else.
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