Posted on 09/05/2008 3:14:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
The P.E.T.S. (People for The Ethical Treatment of Slippers) objects!! It’s just so undignified.
LOL!
Oh, so that's what you call those Mormon missionary door-to-door convos about the universal “apostasy” and restoration -- ”respect”, eh?
So that's what you call the Pearl of Great Price LDS “scriptural” description about other sects -- "respect":
Joseph Smith, Verses 18-20:
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join...I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)÷and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join NONE of them, for they were ALL wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof."
20 He again forbade me to join with ANY of them...
Please note the sweeping “absolutes” claimed by Smith with the words of “None…All…All…All…Any” (Anybody see any caveats issued there? I don’t)
With just a few paragraphs, Smith tried to:
...reduce EVERY creed of Christendom to ashes...
...slander the character of EVERY professing believer to that of a "corrupt" status;
...place a large "boycott" sign on every non-Mormon church: you "MUST... [NOT] JOIN ANY!
(1) Wanna explain how Smith had such broad-sweeping powers of moral judgmentalism that he could label EVERY Christian “professor” – “professor” as in one who professes beliefs not an academic “professor” – as being absolutely “corrupt?”
(2) Wanna explain how Smith could openly bash all Christian sects and simultaneously attempt to dig a spiritual graveyard for not only every 19th century Christian church, but the ones that had been around for the previous 15- to perhaps 19 centuries?
(a) Mormon founder: What’s amazing to me, then, is after Smith has taken the initiative to describe the entirety of Christianity for 14 to 15 to 18 centuries in such a manner, who is it in Mormon eyes that is deemed as the villainized “anti?” Supposedly, to hear Smith tell it, this vision occurred in 1820…so it can’t be claimed by Mormons that Smith was simply responding to the so-called 1830s “persecution” of Mormons.
(b) Second-generation Mormons: Since it was an entirely later full generation of Mormons who decided to place this "vision" as LDS canonized “Scripture,” it can’t be said that this was just Smith’s mere “opinion.”
(c ) Contemporary Mormons: Since contemporary Mormons tithe on this language to be spread world-wide in millions of imprinted messages (in translated Books of Mormon; in LDS curricula; in LDS books & articles, etc.)…the actual open dissing and spiritual destruction continues.
"Idiot", eh? (Is that more "respect" from the "Respect King?")
Since Mormons prescribe to these verses as "Scripture," would you care to explain how labeling "...ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt...? Could you please explain how calling...
...every other church's creeds -- ALL of them -- as an "abomination" to your God...
...or calling their "professors" (again ALL of them) as "corrupt"...
...or calling ALL other churches "apostates" (Mormon missionary lessons & doctrine & curricula about the so-called "universal apostasy")...
...isn't engaging in open insults at the widest possible level????
(By "widest possible level," I mean on the dishing out level...every Mormon missionary + all these "Scriptures" and curricula paid for at the local level by tithing dollars...and on the receiving level, every non-Mormon church and non-Mormon believer).
Seriously, what kind of void do you have in your life to make you fight a church so hard? You are not looking like a happy Christian here. If you put that much effort into trying to help your country fight against the homosexual agenda, unborn babies, or even enemies that want to kill us, you could be making this world a better place. Trying to bait Mormons into a fight is very immature. Let’s just say you are right about everything you say, what good did it do? Did it stroke your ego? Does it make you feel superior and clever? What does it do for you? Are you a prophet and is God telling you to do this? Did someone send you a registered letter telling you that you are now the official hand of God? Are you a scientologist? Why don’t you go hug your family and tell them how much you love them and maybe go see if your neigbor needs some chores done that they cannot quite handle themselves!? Why don’t you go pick up trash along the street or highway you live near? How about volunteering down at the senior center? How about picking somene at random and just helping them in some manner? Since you are contacting me from a “conservative” website, are you not aware that Liberals are the ones who shout down and harrass those who do not agree with them? You are no better with you actions right now. Don’t you know that bullies never look back at their actions and feel pride?
If you cannot or will not comply, leave the thread.
“Hey idiot (and friends), respect does not mean agree. Get a dictionary and quit pinging your friends to show each other how cute you all are. Maybe my denomination is larger than yours because we don’t go around insulting people in a belligerent manner.”
Can I use an abbreviated version of this for my tagline if I credit you?
Uh, no.
“Are you a prophet and is God telling you to do this?”
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You asking that question in serious manner or just looking to have some fun on a boring day?
“You are not looking like a happy Christian here,” Freeplancer.
I must be having problems with my reading comprehension.... I have not seen anywhere that Colofornian claimed to be a prophet, or anything about receiving a registered letter telling him/her that they are now the official hand of God, or being a scientologist. Where on earth do you come up with these things?
And how do you know what this person is or is not doing in their life? You seem to think you know so much about people. Just HOW do you “know” all this?
I had no idea you were a female. It is disguised in your writing.
That sounds quite sexist. And personal.
What kind spiritual insecurity does the LDS church hold for 180 years whereby it has to send out 60,000+ missionaries (over a million through the years) to convince the world of its similar message to that of the Muslims? (The Muslims tout all Christians are “infidels”; the Mormons tout all Christians are “apostates”).
Why do the Mormons have to go around knocking all these churches as “apostates” in order to try to gain legitimacy?
You also make it sound like we're on the “offense.” (Nope; we're simply playing “defense”). Consider, for example, the time the apostle Paul spent playing “defense” in Ephesus:
27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of THREE YEARS I CEASED NOT TO WARN EVERY ONE NIGHT AND DAY. (Acts 20:27-31)
So not only did Paul spend every night and day for 3 years in Ephesus warning the Ephesians about the religious wolves who would come, he spent his Sabbath time amongst religious folks of other persuasions - his “custom/habit” every Sabbath was to head into the synagogues to talk to religious Jews (Acts 17:1-2). So Paul, in your oh so humble opinion, had some kind of “void” in his life?
Is he or isn't he worthy of emulating?
You failed to answer my question, but just like liberals, you fired off your talking points and showed ugliness towards someone who does not agree with you. Please stop being such an angry person
I have defended unborn babies against the calloused abortion policies of various denominations (including the LDS).
Chronology,:
1973: LDS' First Presidency (Harold B. Lee, N. Eldon Tanner, & Marion G. Romney) restates the church's historical position on abortion. What "exceptions" for abortion were spiritually A-OK according to them?
(1)...except in the rare cases where, in the opinion of competent medical counsel...
(Stop the tape. Who usually "counsels" for abortions? Why free-standing abortion clinics do. They do 90% of the abortions. So if a Mormon family takes their daughter to the abortion clinic, what do you think the "competent medical counsel" will counsel? In addition, the medical community is chock full of "competent medical counsel" that advises abortion).
(2)...except...the life or good health of the mother is seriously endangered...
(Stop the tape there...pregnancy isn't a disease and aside from ectopic pregnancies - which lead to both Mom & child dying - doctors aren't "prophets" who can predict the outcomes of pregnancies re: health effects upon the Mom)
(3)...except...or where the pregnancy was caused by rape and produces serious emotional trauma in the mother.
1983: (Stop the tape there...even more exceptions...the mice are eating so many holes in the cheese what's beginning to remain? By 1983, the LDS Church General Handbook of Instructions had dropped the produce serious emotional trauma from the exception and added incest to the exception list. So, a predator who commits incest could then "cover up" his crime by aborting him or her - all sanctioned by the church.)
(4)...except...Even then it should be done only after counseling with the local presiding priesthood authority and after receiving divine confirmation through prayer."
(STOP THE TAPE!!! What? The Mormon god is now a before-the-fact conspirator in the murder of the pre-born child, along with local LDS counselors who might approve of any abortion????)
"Abortion must be considered one of the most revolting and sinful practices in this day, when we are witnessing the frightening evidence of permissiveness leading to sexual immorality."
Then why would God approve of something so "revolting and sinful"???
(5) Feb. 9, 1999: LDS general authority Dallin Oaks gave a BYU address where he added yet another exception:
"The fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth."
So who determines that? Jill Stanek, a former hospital nurse, tells of one mom who just delivered who was screaming uncontrollably at an Illinois hospital because the baby she'd been told would have a certain "defect" came out just fine after a deliberate pre-mature birth/born alive abortion. What? All doctors are "prophets" when it comes to verifying 100% the supposed disability? Or they are 100% "prophets" as to whether such a disability will or won't actually effect survivability?
Please show us where you've taken on your own church leaders to shore up these gaping gaps in their policy. Or is it simply easier to try to talk tough to me but not them?
As for maintaining traditional marriage, try reading the poor track record of your own spiritual forefathers. Hardy's A Solemn Covenant mentioned a number of horrible 19th century statements by LDS leaders against one-man, one-woman marriage...including the claim that one-man, one-woman marriage was the door-opener to prostitution - a claim they said was pre-empted by men who had more than one wife.
No, but I did fail to mention that I'd be responding to you in three parts. Two are done. Here's how I address many of your questions:
Other than the Biblical passages I already cited (as reason enough to address Mormon claims about us)...what makes you think you are above your own questions? Why is only my time relevant to your questions? (You mean, they don't apply to you? Why not? I mean, Mormons have even a higher standard to reach - perfection - in order to prove their "god" status. So it would seem to me that temple-worthy LDS of all people have less "chat" time available than anybody).
For you to respond to me freeplancer, Are you a prophet and is God telling you to do this?
Did someone send you a registered letter, freeplancer, telling you that you are now the official hand of God?
Instead of responding to me, was no family member within huggable reach? And is that what you do 100% of the time? (Don't "TMI" us on how you manage to handle the "necessities" of life if you're a 100% hugger)
Perhaps, Freeplancer, while you were responding to me in one of your earlier posts, you missed some neighbor or senior needs chore-wise or volunteer post-wise?
Since you are contacting me from a “conservative” website, are you not aware that Liberals are the ones who shout down and harrass those who do not agree with them?
How ironic. It seems to me that I would prefer a convo between you & me. You? You'd rather duck my earlier questions and just send me outdoors to other ministry opportunities.
BTW, you're judging my motivations & my internal person. Please stop. Please address my external statements & since you don't know me, please try to stop being an "expert" on my internal disposition.
(It seems to me that 1 Sam. 16:7 indicates that while man looks upon external indicators, God knows the true heart)
That sounds quite sexist. And personal. [Greyfoxx39]
[Yeah, GF, Halloween's almost 2 months away...what gives with your early "disguise"???...Maybe, like in Spanish where an upside question-mark at the beginning of a sentence introduces the tone, perhaps it'd help those who don't like posters-"in-disguise" if you'd just start each sentence with an upside-down "F"] /Sexist sarc off
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