Posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by NYer
***We have the Holy Eucharist, they have rattlesnakes.***
I guess that it depends upon how you handle it.
Where is “RCC” there is “Christ on a stick”. There - I fixed it for ya.
For the redeemed, we have Christ seated on the right hand of God the Father, victorious over death and the grave - hanging in shame with our sin on Him NO LONGER!
Yes, and I don’t mean to a)cast myself as a theologian (though I study the scriptures and b) in any way claim to have arrived at a full answer (only in Heaven will we [fully] know even as we are [fully] known. I would say that “Christ [being] the same yesterday, today and tomorrow...” would indicate that His person has eternality beyond what we are able to comprehend. Becoming a man was something that was “new” to Him (almost sounds blasphemous to say it.) The Hebrew writer points out that “He learned obedience by the things He suffered.” These verses seem to indicate Christ came to know/understand something He had previously never entered into before (and I know that what I just said needs to be improved—the words and the thought they conjure almost seem to bring Christ down—and that is not my intention at all). That said, nothing has ever happened without His notice, He was with the Father in eternity past (sharing His glory, ever pleasing Him, daily being His delight)...These are things that we who just dwell in these earthly tabernacles cannot possibly fathom.
One day...face to face...Not till then shall we fully understand the magnitude of His person, His work, His love for us.
***One day...face to face...Not till then shall we fully understand the magnitude of His person, His work, His love for us.***
And I will agree. The Mel Gibson movie The Passion of the Christ prodded me into greater appreciation of His Passion. But what He did is beyond our comprehension.
As to what He knew and experienced; that is beyond us.
Actually, every “named” church on planet Earth is the construct of man. The church of Jesus Christ does not belong to the RCC or the SBC - those each has some sheep (and some goats) within them.
I suggest you avoid blasphemy, buster.
My name’s not “buster” and I did not blaspheme. I would suggest the RCC comes much closer to that by claiming it’s Christ in their crackers and wine and keeping an “image” of Him on cross EVERYWHERE.
***For the redeemed, we have Christ seated on the right hand of God the Father, victorious over death and the grave - hanging in shame with our sin on Him NO LONGER!***
Fascinating. I have had it from the seriously Reformed crowd that the summation of Christianity is “Christ Crucified”. We like to think that Christ Resurrected from the dead is the pinnacle of His gift to us; but carry on. You are welcome to Catholic (and therefore God’s) beliefs. Jesus never hung in shame, by the way. See what comes of trying to be your own Pope?
***My name’s not “buster” and I did not blaspheme. I would suggest the RCC comes much closer to that by claiming it’s Christ in their crackers and wine and keeping an “image” of Him on cross EVERYWHERE***
If you ignore His commands and you dismiss His Eucharist as crackers and wine in such disparaging comments, you are blaspheming. You are in fine company, by the way, but it does not excuse your actions.
Your words are so enriching. Feel the love.
“If you ignore His commands and you dismiss His Eucharist as crackers and wine in such disparaging comments, you are blaspheming. You are in fine company, by the way, but it does not excuse your actions.”
You can likely find that in the RCC doctrine - but I would be SHOCKED!!!! if you can show that to me in the Scriptures.
Free advice: have 862 and 867 pulled by the mods.
I mean, I hope they stay up, but if they were mine, I'd have them pulled immediately.
Christ WAS crucified. Certainly you know the message of Hebrews (in particular): 1:3 “when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”
8:1 & 2 “We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.”
10:12 “But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God”
12:2 “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.”
This message is taught by Peter, Paul, Luke, and others.
When Christ was on the cross it was shame - note Heb 12:2. How could it not have been shame for the Son of God to take on the sins of men?
I’m not trying to be my own pope - there is no office of pope outside the RCC. I stand clothed in Christ, able to approach the Father without shame.
Where was the shame in the crucifixion? Christ came to fulfill prophesies, His death and resurrection is a triumph!
Luke 22:
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He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover 5 with you before I suffer,
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for, I tell you, I shall not eat it (again) until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”
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Then he took a cup, 6 gave thanks, and said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;
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for I tell you (that) from this time on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
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7 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
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And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.
I trust that the shock is not too painful.
***When Christ was on the cross it was shame - note Heb 12:2. How could it not have been shame for the Son of God to take on the sins of men?***
Shame is something that one experiences of one’s own actions.
***I’m not trying to be my own pope ***
I think that you are.
***I stand clothed in Christ, able to approach the Father without shame.***
I see little evidence of that, except to note that if one does not understand, then one cannot experience shame.
***Where was the shame in the crucifixion? Christ came to fulfill prophesies, His death and resurrection is a triumph!***
Not to the children of the Reformation. They focus on His death only. They look on the worst of all possible worlds, except when it comes to selected elected elite.
What’s your point? I’ve read Luke and I’m a bit familiar with RCC perversion of Scripture but you’re not approaching it square on if that’s your aim.
Do not look to your own understanding, but believe the Scripture. Hebrews 12:2 “Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame”. The shame of OUR sin was hung on Him. It was a SHAME for the sinless man to be made sin on our behalf.
You can certainly THINK I’m trying to be my own pope - that certainly does not make it so.
Since you do not know me, and we merely cross swords over doctrinal issues (some of them worthy of being divided over), how COULD you see evidence of me being in Christ? The fruit of the Spirit is not visible to the natural eyes nor is it to be mistaken for agreeing with false teaching.
***What’s your point? I’ve read Luke and I’m a bit familiar with RCC perversion of Scripture but you’re not approaching it square on if that’s your aim.***
Oh, it’s just that the Eucharist is commanded by Jesus, but I realize that the understanding of the Protestant version(s) of Scripture supersede Jesus’ commandments. Call us sentimental, but we think that the instructions of Jesus trump anything that you men happen to come up with.
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