Posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by NYer
I htink Shrillary and BJ are both on the fringe of wacko.
They were, of course, born Jews. However, having come to believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the promised Messiah, they were at that time Christians, fathers of the Catholic Church promised by Christ in Matthew 16:18.
827 posted on May 23, 2008 2:28:31 PM MDT by Petronski
It was not until many years later that the term "Christians" was used.They were not christians, they were Jews who believed in Yah'shua as the Jewish Messiah.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
You're telling me I ought to get the old CRT out of the trash? Bummer!
Christian: (n) One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Either they did not believe in Jesus as Christ or they were Christians.
“The Catholic Church emerged on Pentecost AD 33.” This, according to the RCC and nobody else. No shred of evidence to support ANY man-made church or denominational claim of being established in the first century. This is vanity at its penultimate height.
Only second place? Then what is vanity at its ultimate height?
Oh, I know: remaking God in man's image, a la Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Machen, et al.
I’d like to meet some of these people in real life to see if they really are the self-righteous prigs that they appear to be on the internet.
Same Church,though, as in the Upper Room. Your chronology is wrong, too: St. Ignatius (d. 107) used the word in writing.
Just flag me to your future pronouncements, we’ll have even more fun.
Jews wrote the Old Testament. We explained it.
Fine with me. Where is "RCC" there is Jesus Christ.
I salute you both.
Our contention would be that that would be because the Catholic Church is not "man-made".
We have the Holy Eucharist, they have rattlesnakes.
***The Bible doesn’t portray Him as doing much of anything as He was growing up...Where did you get that nonsense...***
He was obedient to His parents. As an adult, he showed mercy and related to people as people and cared much about them.
***Could have does not equal did.
And yet you want us to believe Mary is answering prayers in heaven ...***
You mean me personally?
***Are you saying that Christ was disobedient (dishonoring) to His parents, thus committing sin? I’ll assume you are not.***
And I am not. Scripture says that He was obedient to His parents.
***The wisdom he was attaining to was in experiencing life as a human, dwelling in the presence of sin with all the noxious intimacy that His earthly life could experience, knowing what it was like to feel fatigue in His arms, hunger in His belly, etc. But there was never, at any time a moment in His life where He lacked for knowledge, understanding, wisdom when it came to God, Godliness, God-likeness—He is God come in the flesh, well-pleasing to the Father, in all points tempted (yet apart from sin.) He is Lord of all!***
That is something that theologians have seriously contemplated for the last 2000 years - how the God-man actually went through His life on earth.
***How do you know what languages Peter understood.***
Luke
Chapter 5
1
While the crowd was pressing in on Jesus and listening to the word of God, he was standing by the Lake of Gennesaret.
2
He saw two boats there alongside the lake; the fishermen had disembarked and were washing their nets.
3
Getting into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, he asked him to put out a short distance from the shore. Then he sat down and taught the crowds from the boat.
Peter was a fisherman. Not a scholar or poet or ‘60s street pharmacologist. Why not head out to the coast of Bangladesh or Angola and quiz the fishermen there on their linguistic capabilities? You may find an equivalent.
***Peter’s mission was to the Jews. Do you suppose he spoke Aramaic exclusively? ***
It’s possible that he learned other languages as he needed to. Remember that he was only with Jesus a couple of years.
***No matter where Jesus was his audience understood him. Wonder why?
Incidentally in the 1940’s to 1970 Cardinal Cushing was Archbishop of Boston. He spoke English in a South Boston/Irish accent. Nobody understood a word he said.
He spoke Latin an a South Boston/Irish accent. Nobody understood a word he said.***
Jesus didn’t speak in a South Boston/Irish accent.
***When Jesus spoke everybody understood.***
The Reformed claim that only they understand. I guess that leaves the rest of us out.
***They were not christians, they were Jews who believed in Yah’shua as the Jewish Messiah.***
How many years? The first references for the term Christian are in the first century.
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