Posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by NYer
***Luke 2:
[46] After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions;
[47] and all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers.
Would you agree the teachers in the temple spoke Hebrew?***
If you would, please consider pre Vatican II churches in the United States. The Mass was in Latin and official documents were in Latin. The priests and the laity conducted their affairs in English. Same deal.
The priests understood Hebrew. It does not say or imply that Jesus spoke it to them. It only says that all that heard Him were amazed at His understanding and answers. It does not say that He spoke Hebrew.
To get back to the point though, why would Jesus speak to Peter in Greek rather than Aramaic if Peter didn’t understand Greek, when they both grew up speaking Aramaic?
Thayer has it as “a rock or a stone” or “one of the twelve disciples of Jesus.”
Okay, but why not in Koine Greek if that was his “native” language as you claim? And explain Acts 2:4-12 if, as you claim, everyone in the region was fluent in Koine Greek.
Catholicism never left the Bible. Insinuating that Catholics do not read the Bible is rather bigoted, actually.
Does Gresham Machen teach that kind of bigotry?
Luke 2:
51
He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was obedient to them; and his mother kept all these things in her heart.
52
And Jesus advanced (in) wisdom and age and favor before God and man.
I guess that He wasn’t normal after all. Every little boy is disobedient in some say.
btw, I understand Grace Kelly and Jackie Kennedy also had engagement rings made of emeralds and diamonds. Of course, theirs were quite a bit larger and flashier than mine.
John F. Kennedy gave his future bride Jacqueline Bouvier a 2.88 carat diamond and emerald engagement ring from Van Cleef & Arpels. Prince Rainier presented Grace Kelly with a 12 carat emerald-cut diamond engagement ring--a jewel befitting the beauty and elegance of the future princess. Green expresses faithfulness and continuity.
***Does Gresham Machen teach that kind of bigotry?***
Hundreds and thousands of churches form every year as the sales of snake oil increase.
To God be the glory!
So Peter was a Rockette? I happen to know (slightly, he was my Mom’s next door neighbor) Charles Dolan who OWNS the Rockettes. Is HE going to be surprised! (He’s a devout Cat’lick too)
***It’s amazing what you can find when your agenda depends on it!***
They remind me of the Communists in the West at about the time that the Soviet Empire was crumbling - the shouts and yells and desperation that went on was amazing. And they refused to admit the truth about Communism.
Theologically, these guys are in the same state. It’s just that over a 2000 year perspective, we see them come and see them go. When your particular cult is only half a lifetime old, there is no perspective and the future and the past are seen only in the light of today.
You are so right. Those councils could have been just to throw us off, and that Bible that they canonized might just be a fairy tale.
Heresey...
Matthew is the gospel of the Jews; written to present Jesus as King of the Jews...
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
No Aramaic here...Eli, Eli is a transliteration of Hebrew meaning My God, My God...
Okay, I’ll bite. It wouldn’t surprise me if they did, but do we know this?
It was the YHvH commanded Feast of Shavuot and
b'SHEM Yah'shua
there were Jews from all throughout the world in Jerusalem.
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Eloi, Eloi, lamma sabacthani? Which is, being interpreted: My God, My God, Why hast thou forsaken me?
It’s Aramaic.
There were no Councils, doncha know?
History was rewritten in the 1700s by the Jesuits in response to the Reformation which included the creation of the Councils, the Church Fathers and the Freemasons. The only true Church Father was Augustine of Antwerp and the Church first tried to put him down, then relocated him to North Africa.
And then they tried to crush the notion that Jesus used the KJV in English (complete 66 books through Revelation). But as recently as yesterday, divine inspiration in various forms have settled on hundreds of individuals, causing them to set up tents, mall churches and television shows in order to sell that snake oil.
To be fair, it IS neccessary to keep those snakes well-lubed.
Any time you volunteer your opinions of the "RCC", flag me and you will get plenty examples, if you haven't gotten enough already.
Why, St. Paul speaks of the scripture St. Timothy knew from his youth, and Timothy being a hellenized half-Jew, it is a safe bet it was the Greek Septuagint. St. Paul then says "all scripture", so that means all of the Septuagint, including, of course, the Deuterocanon. The passage speaks of profitability -- that is, usefullness -- and the inspired character of the Septuagint, and it says to whom it it profitable, to a "man of God" to make his formation complete.
That’s not what the scriptures hold. Where is that written?
Hey, that's MY question! The situation is this: If the scripture alone contains all necessary for faith formation, then it should contain a passage which says so. The two you offered, from the last chapter of John and from the letter to Timothy do not quite say it.
Are you saying that the authority of the scriptures is derived from the Catholic Church?
Yes, absolutely. It was the Catholic clergy who wrote the New Testament, explained the Old Testament, and decided on canonicity. Historical fact.
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