Posted on 05/20/2008 7:45:05 AM PDT by NYer
Protestant Christians do not "hate" Roman Catholics. Protestant Christians believe the word of God when it instructs to "hate every false way."
Protestants do not curse Catholics, like the Catholic church curses and anathematizes all Protestants.
Protestants do not label Catholic churches as "defective," as Rome has called all Protestant churches.
Protestants did not create an entire sub-category of clergy to root out and destroy Protestants, as the Catholic church did during the Reformation which continues to this day.
Protestants declare the Gospel in the light of day and for all men to see, and then it's up to God to give understanding.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." -- John 3:19-21"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
What you stated is accurate. Prof. Carroll acknowledged that it was his wife’s constant prayer and loving witness that brought him, a former agnostic, into as he put it to “the grace of faith amd membership in the Church of Christ”.
Regards
Not all, no. In fact, barely any do. Just the vocal ones.
Protestant Christians believe the word of God when it instructs to "hate every false way."
But then that vocal minority then misapply that--not to their own heretical storefront splinter groups, but rather--to the Church founded by Christ Himself: the Catholic Church.
Your misrepresentation of what that means aside, I've been told right here on FR that I am going to hell and I am not a Christian.
Heresy is a defect. Suddenly God's instruction to "hate every false way" doesn't count, eh?
One line hit and run artist:
By the way, that's "Catechism of the Catholic Church."
I know that's just a forgivable oversight. No one would be so petty or so driven by hate as to refuse to capitalize a proper noun for fear of somehow accidentally directing even a gram of respect toward the Catholic Church.
That would be unconscionably pathetic.
It would be ironic if this person ever "forgot" to capitalize the proper noun "Protestant" wouldn't it?
" Yes, as a protestant you would have to read it that way,..."
First "unconscionably pathetic" oversite.
"I would hate to take upon myself as a militant protestant the burden of denying so much history..."
Second "unconscionsly pathetic" oversight.
Sounds fanciful. The Catholic Church (both capitalized, donchaknow) set out to root out and destroy heresy and false teaching. Just part of that "hate every false way" instruction that seems to have been suddenly forgotten in the space of three sentences.
Protestants declare the Gospel AND their non-biblical interpretations thereof. It's up to God to give understanding, and yet when He does, through the Catholic Church Christ founded for us, Protestants reject it and insist on their own way.
The conduct of a discussion can add to the confusion. Many jobs have to be done one piece at a time. Those interested in getting the job done are content with that. Others, and this would include those who do not want to get the job done, will interrupt work on one part of the problem by insisting that some other part of the problem be tended to. If they are humored, they can prevent any progress from being made.
By working one step at a time, often we find that what looked like a cumbersome and incomprehensible mess turns out to be a matter more of persistence and care than of any particular ingenuity. While Alexander's sword may have dealt successfully with the Gordian knot, other knots may require more patient methods.
There seems to be some problem with the notion that a flawed, even a deeply flawed, person can do one particular thing well. This despite the examples of Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix, and many, if not most, opera singers. The current piece of the problem that I happen to be working on is this simple notion.p>And if we can accept the notion that, as it were, by nature, a bad person can do a good thing, then it should be easier to accept that God might do a good thing through a bad person. Since, as a rule, bad people are all He has to work with if He weren't inclined to do good things through bad people, then very few good things would be done.
I am weary with the repeated objecting to the answer to one question on the grounds that it doesn't answer some other question. Whatever the intent, the result is obfuscation. So I will delay, and may put off forever, dealing with the questions you raise. Though I am no student of these things I recall both The one was the subject of a discussion on how to handle such declarations, and the other was initially described as something which "should be considered" infallible, which stuck me as a fascinating turn of phrase.
How about you let me know when I fail to capitalized Westminster Confession of Faith, Orthodox Presbyterian Church, etc. Those are specific proper nouns. If I steadfastly refuse to capitalize them, you might have a point.
Your comparison fails. It is not “apples v. oranges,” those are too close for your comparison (both being round juicy delicious fruits).
Your comparison is more like lug wrenches and marshmallows.
John 3:17-19 speaks of those who reject Christ and his teachings.
Do you believe Catholics are Christian?
“One line hit and run artist:”
Please do not make this personal, as such would be a violation of the rules.
I'll try to be brief.
Do I understand you correctly that it is difficult if not impossible to declare the findings of any of the older Ecumenical Councils or Popes to be "infallible because the formulatic definition of "infallibility" was unknown to them?
An equally brief reply would be appreciated.
Also, attributing motives is "making it personal."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Old Reggie says there isn't. He knows this stuff.
Here's an easy one though.
There is no teaching of the RCC which is so clear it cannot be denied, modified, or reinterpreted as required.
It’s a good heresy, but not a great heresy.....
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