Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Well, it’s here for all to read. But of course, it’s just a false rendition of what he really said (LOL). Sad.
>>We have atheist Freepers, theists, anti-theists, diests, agnostics, wiccans and for all I know Freepers who worship rubber ducks.
There is no “official” religion on Free Republic. <<
Exactly. So why would it be correct for a Wiccan to define what a Presbyterian does when the Presbyterian states the truth for a Presbyterian?
Why is it okay for the French to define American law?
Hey, I know it seems that many (not all) Catholics worship Mary to you. You have explained why it seems this way to you, and discussed it back and forth with Catholics.
I want to know why you think the Church doesn’t officially proclaim and teach Mary worship. Fear of what other Christians might think? Fear of what other Catholics might think? Why doesn’t the hierarchy teach that Mary worship should be proclaimed just like the worship of Christ?
Freegards
The litany is an ancient form of prayer. It is also in the Eastern Church so you can also accuse them of worshipping Mary, I suppose.
There are many RCs that really think females should be priests. But not enough. If it became closer unanimous, there'd be a decree.
Code Of Canon Law
Canon 752: While the assent of faith is not required, a religious submission of intellect and will is to be given to any doctrine which either the Supreme Pontiff or the College of Bishops, exercising their authentic magisterium, declare upon a matter of faith or morals, even though they do not intend to proclaim that doctrine by definitive act. Christ’s faithful are therefore to ensure that they avoid whatever does not accord with that doctrine.
Canon 753: Whether they teach individually, or in Episcopal Conferences, or gathered together in particular councils, Bishops in communion with the head and the members of the College, while not infallible in their teaching, are the authentic instructors and teachers of the faith for Christ’s faithful entrusted to their care. The faithful are bound to adhere, with a religious submission of mind, to this authentic magisterium of their Bishops.
Not only "teaching" but Catholics are told to submerge their will and intellect to this teaching.
Often the debate is so intense there is more heat than light. But they deal with it because what each person sees may not be exactly the same thing.
That is what "open" religious debate is all "about."
Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Scientologists, Orthodox and so on are expected to stand up to the same kind of challenges on "open" threads.
If they cannot, they do not belong in the town square, in the "open" debate. They must withdraw to the "ecumenic" "caucus" "devotional" or "prayer" threads.
See, that’s part of the point I was trying to make before — we think all those things of Mary (we also can appreciate poetry), but we apprehend God as so much infinitely greater that there’s no comparison! Your very concept of God — and comcomitantly your idea of worship if you think the litany would be more appropriate to God — must be very stunted by our standards. And you must live in a much narrower, greyer world!
Well, I’ve met many Catholics who seem to revere her far above Jesus Christ and that is worship, or idol worship. I pray they don’t, because it will cost them eternity.
No, I’m not misrepresenting it. I heard it when it happened and I have no quote. If you care, google it yourself.
I imagine the simplicity of the sufficiency of Christ seems exactly that way to you. It seems to be a very large part of why that simplicity is rejected by the RCC.
You certainly are misrepresenting it. You have no quote, just your paraphrase.
It’s par for the course, though.
Mostly I’m just flagging your version as wrong and undocumented.
After 800+ posts it has become evident that no matter how many times and ways Catholics tell others that they don’t worship Mary, it is an exercise in futility to attempt to convince those who insist otherwise. Just love God, Christ, and His mother and practice your faith with pride. I say this as a Protestant who loves my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ.
And I've seen a great many Protestants who seem to revere the Bible far above Jesus Christ and that is worship, or idol worship.
We are all human and we are all sinners and the fact is that what we perceive as seeming to be true, often times isn't.
Most scriptures are written to mean what they mean, quite simply, no spin. Others are mystery and may never be completely known until the return of Christ. The Holy Spirit is my authority. My pastor is the head of my church but he’s not perfect either. Same as the Pope or any priest. They aren’t infallible. None of us are.
Please show me, in Scripture, where the Lord says that ANYTHING other than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Please cite the definition that Catholics use for infallibility and explain what that has to do with a person being perfect.
Do you even know what infallibility means?
I have seen stats that say most Catholics think that birth control is harmless and in keeping with Church teaching. How come there hasn’t been a decree that agrees with this thinking? Why did the Catholic Church teach unkowing Mary worship when it would have been easier to just come out with Mary worship?
Freegards
A Google search on "worship of Mary" will prove interesting.
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