Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
Is that you, Pontius?
Intentions unclear, just as when Protestants think Catholics worship Mary when our intention is only show our love.
If my 8 year old can use correct grammar, I think everyone can too. If one continues to use Catholics, instead of including the “some” then you are making it inclusive. And that's wrong. I just rewrote my post to take out "you" although "you" can be used as both individual and singular. The Mod would toss me for "you". "Catholics" without "some" makes it inclusive and should have the same rules.
To love Mary to the point of handing her the position of Christ is not Christian love. It's worship.
>>Can it be that what you consider “worship” is no more that what we call hyperdulia and that you really don’t know what we mean by latria (true worship proper to God)?<<
Isn’t trying to define what I am doing by your experience basically, reading my mind?
“””So by your definition, “Catholics” believe that Mary is a co-redeemer, right?”””
Well I guess they ‘all’ ought to if that’s what they are being taught...
~~~~~The universal mediation of the Mother of Jesus as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces, and Advocate for the people of God is already contained in the official and authoritative teachings of the Church’s Magisterium. Now, at the summit of the Marian era, what remains is the final proclamation by the Church of this final Marian doctrine as Christian dogma revealed by God.~~~~~
http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/MEDIATRI.HTM
>>Seems like a perfect opportunity for you to expain these things, to clear the matter up... <<
Just as George W Bush explains things to Helen Thomas and she doesn’t get it, explaining things to people who have their mind set will do nothing.
We do not hand her the position of Christ; she is the Mother of God, not God.
Is that not what Protestants do when they accuse Catholic of worshipping Mary or treating as God when we strongly object that we do not?
Have you actaully read to the end? It says this....
“If you would like to share, as a member of the faithful, in placing this final dogmatic crown on the head of our Immaculate Mother and Queen during the climax of the Age of Mary, please fill out the petition, adding lines as necessary, and mail it to:”
A group of Catholics would like this.
A group of Americans would like to impeach Bush.
Is that “all”? And if it is not all, then it is not Dogma nor Law.
It is important to note that the prefix "co" in the title Coredemptrix does not mean "equal to" but rather "with", coming from the Latin word cum. The Marian title Coredemptrix never places Mary on a level of equality with her Divine Son, Jesus Christ. Rather it refers to Mary's unique human participation which is completely secondary and subordinate to the redeeming role of Jesus, who alone is true God and true Man.
I see that I may have to dust off Irving's Law...
***I hope you don’t mean to imply that the history of the protestant Church is full of hatred and bigotry? ~ Paridel
This is what drives anti-Catholic polemic.
[snip]
I do think there is a strong voice of those who do - here in the religion forum. ~ sandyeggo***
Amazing. Has it never ever entered your mind that most Protestants view the Catholic Church as a FALSE and BLASPHEMOUS administration of the Sacraments and it is this reason that they enter into what you call the “anti-Catholic polemic.”
But, since you are on the subject of divining motive here, just what drove the Catholic Church to pursue, persecute, and slaughter countless numbers of Reformers & Calvinist saints over the years?
My point: What makes the Catholic efforts over the years of a more noble cause and the one of Protestants driven by hatred and bigotry of the kind that spawned the KKK?
Don’t tell me, its the funny hats. ;^)
>>Is that not what Protestants do when they accuse Catholic of worshipping Mary or treating as God when we strongly object that we do not? <<
Well that’s what I think, but the people here and maybe the Mod think differntly.
I know that the RC attempt to redefine worship as something only toward God, which conveniently make idolatry impossible, doesn't fly.
>>It is important to note that the prefix “co” in the title Coredemptrix does not mean “equal to” but rather “with”, coming from the Latin word cum. The Marian title Coredemptrix never places Mary on a level of equality with her Divine Son, Jesus Christ. Rather it refers to Mary’s unique human participation which is completely secondary and subordinate to the redeeming role of Jesus, who alone is true God and true Man. <<
Cherry picking?
Reading some of these posts is like watching the NBC Nightly News. ;-).
Then the head of the church is suddenly only the head of the church through her, His position has been usurped!
So, your pastor teaches you to love one another, just not too much lest others think you are loving them like God?
Why do you believe that God only grants us a finite amount of love to express?
>>I know that the RC attempt to redefine worship as something only toward God, which conveniently make idolatry impossible, doesn’t fly. <<
Don’t read my mind. You have no clue how I worship.
It is fair to take issue with Catholics concerning beliefs we actually hold but not to attribute something to us that we strenuously deny. This is slander, pure and simple.
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