DR. PUSEY ON THE WORSHIP OF MARY IN THE CHURCH OF ROME

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[DungeonMaster]

He does not call any of us to make false charges against His Church.

No, He calls us to the Truth, He is the Truth.

[Uncle Chip]

That's ridiculous.

You forgot to answer the second part:

And how about you??? Do you disagree with his words????

[Petronski]

I did not forget.

[Petronski]

No, He calls us to the Truth, He is the Truth.

We agree.

A good step for you at this point would be to stop attacking His Church with false charges of idolatry.

[OpusatFR]

“Read DeMontforte. Few Christians express the worship of God with the eloquence that he worships Mary.”

He’s read DeMontforte? Geez, I could get through the first chapter.

Give me a break.

[OpusatFR]

“I couldn’t get through the first chapter.”

Opps.

[DungeonMaster]

A good step for you at this point would be to stop attacking His Church with false charges of idolatry.

Rather a good step for you would be to come out of the RCC and come to a true faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. One that needs no Goddess to define Him.

[Petronski]

Do you mean Simon de Montfort?

[Iscool]

>>>Because YOU say so?<<<

Nope...Because the people that run your church say so...

~~~~~~~At the most recent Mariological Congress held at Czestochowa, 18-24 August 1996, a Commission was established in response to a request by the Holy See, which had asked to know the opinion of the scholars present at the Congress on the possibility and the opportuneness of defining a new dogma of faith regarding Mary as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate. In recent years, the Holy Father and various Dicasteries of the Holy See have received petitions requesting such a definition.~~~~~

http://www.accademiamariana.org/archivio/pami/page8.html

~~~~~The universal mediation of the Mother of Jesus as Coredemptrix, Mediatrix of all graces, and Advocate for the people of God is already contained in the official and authoritative teachings of the Church’s Magisterium. Now, at the summit of the Marian era, what remains is the final proclamation by the Church of this final Marian doctrine as Christian dogma revealed by God.~~~~~

http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARY/MEDIATRI.HTM

There’s tons of material on this subject...Seems some are a bit selective on the information you provide on the subject...

[Uncle Chip]

I would call it an expression of love for our blessed Mother. No one--I say again no one--is claiming that she is equal to God, she is the Queen Mother, i.e. the mother of the King, Jesus Christ.

And just who officially declared her as the Queen Mother???

Don't confuse "love" with "worship". We all love our mothers -- but we don't express that love by making and crowning statues of her and calling her "Queen of Oakwood Avenue".

[Petronski]

...One that needs no Goddess to define Him.

The Catholic Church neither needs nor has any goddesses for any purpose. There you go again.

[DungeonMaster]

Do you mean Simon de Montfort?

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/truedevo.htm

I think he goes by St. Louis de Montfort.

[Uncle Chip]

I did not forget.

Sorry I asked -- I didn't mean to put you on the spot.

[DungeonMaster]

The Catholic Church neither needs nor has any goddesses for any purpose. There you go again.

The Goddess of Wicca or witchcraft or any paganism was never as clearly defined, as extravagantly empowered, as enshrined, as praised, as sung about, as sculpted, as loved, as the Goddess Mary of the RCC.

[Petronski]

You would do well to read the articles you link. Not only do they explain what “Co-Redemptrix” is supposed to mean, but they both discuss seeking Papal definition of Mary as such.

[trisham]

Excellent post.

[Petronski]

...the Goddess Mary of the RCC.

There is no such thing. Once again you bear false witness against His Church.

[MarkBsnr]

***No Catholics worship Mary.***

Since the practice is expressly forbidden, I’d say that worshippers of Mary are not Catholic; a parallel would be that those who believe that Jesus was a man only are not Christian.

***I’m fine. And you?***

Reasonable, as always. :)

[MarkBsnr]

***As is so often the case, your posts are both personally insulting ***

I don’t think that it is possible to insult you, Dr. E.

***and cryptic beyond lucidity.***

I can endeavour to dumb them down for you if you would consider it worthwhile.

[Petronski]

And just who officially declared her as the Queen Mother???

You should read what is meant by that. I'll give you a hint: it is NOT "claiming that she is equal to God."