Seems that very little has changed in over a century.
I agree. 
Posted on 05/14/2008 10:16:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg
I don't understand your post. My endeavor to draw whom away where?
I know Catholic doctrine very well. You are wrong.
Perhaps you should study your scriptures a bit more.
No sense in talking to that one, I think it was an “at work” sock puppet.
I agree.
You are, of course, entirely correct. I don’t know any Catholics who “worship” the Virgin Mary. They honor her above all other women because God honored her above all other women.
I would add that the odd disrespect for, or neglect of, the Virgin Mary among some Protestants was a later development. One of my students did some research into this issue, and found that throughout his writings Martin Luther granted every honor to Mary that was common among Catholics, with the sole exception that he denied her the title “Queen of Heaven.” That was a problem for Luther because the title was once used by Ishtar, the pagan goddess, and condemned by the Prophets. (I’m not saying that he was correct about that—since in my view it is not inconsistent to say that there can be a true Queen of Heaven, as well as to condemn a false one—only that it was the one point on which Luther differed with the Church in paying respect to Mary.)
The reason we investigated Luthere’s views was because John Milton, who was a strongly anti-Catholic, revolutionary Reformer, also pays his respects to the Virgin Mary in his various poems, most notably Paradise Regained. Some Miltonists have been surprised by this attitude on Milton’s part, noting that he seems to write like a Catholic in these passages. But it was good enough for Martin Luther.
***The Religion Moderator says: But in this case, the issue remains “open” which is to say, no scab has formed, the issue (whether Mary is being worshipped) has not been settled. ***
A point of order please. If the anti Catholics claim that Mary is worshipped by Catholics, and we present the Catechism (the Rules) which clearly state the opposite, does that, in accordance with the Rules of FR RF, constitute settlement?
If not, then what, in your opinion, would?
I'm not a Jack Chick hater...Never met the guy...
Matthew 13:24-30
But this appears confusing to many people because we are told in Scripture to kneel to none but Christ alone. And yet the RCC encourages its members to kneel to Mary and to pray to Mary and to view Mary as a mediator between God and men and, as John Paul II said on at least six occasions, Mary is to be considered as the "co-redeemer" and the "dispenssatrix of all grace."
Is a redeemer of men's souls a diety?
Catholicism rejects worship or deification of Mary. THAT is settled.
If you’re hoping I call you a tare as you have called me a tare, Mark, you will have a long wait.
>>Mary is to be considered as the “co-redeemer”<<
If you can’t point that out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it taint true.
PLEASE, PEOPLE, PLEASE.
We must maintain proper etiquette here! You KNOW the mere mention of that individual is not allowed here. You KNOW that the mere mention of that individual can cause riots, mayhem, even MASS MURDER under the right circumstances (a full moon and a low tide...but only on the third Thursday!)
Please, control yourselves.
No mention of JC on Free Republic. Period!!!!!
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
“Never mind that people have different interpretations on certain subjects.”
Thatb is the point, there are NO other interpretations on the question of the Worship of Mary that are Catholic. None. The Catholic view is the one I posted. Period. End of story. That you and many who are not Cathyolic want to run around telling lies to discredit the Church is regretable, but this is a settled issue. The Church teaches verbatim what I posted.
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He did use the words "my Scripture." Perhaps his scripture is not Biblical.
***Never mind that people have different interpretations on certain subjects.***
That’s the problem. Jesus left one Church, not millions of interpretations. It’s the Church that decides, not every milkmaid.
***For some RCs, the ONLY interpretation for anything is the one Rome gives them.***
You are so hung up on Rome. It’s the Catholic Church. Get over it. It goes back to the Christ, not to some group of irritated theology jumpers barely older than I am.
***AND WE DISAGREE WITH IT.***
You disagree with Christ. Are you a Christian?
***Mary is the mother of our Lord, too.***
Ah, the Reformed God, that you keep on your hall stand and rub His head for luck when you walk by.
***This thread was written over 100 years ago. It’s no “Jack Chick” anything. It is not “hatefilled” and it is not a “set of lies.” ***
It’s full of lies and the reason for lies seems to be hate.
***But more importantly in the great scheme of things, you cannot refute what this thread says. You have to become angry and resort to yelling about what the RCC teaches rather than what the Bible teaches.***
We have what Jesus taught. That appears to trump the Bibliolatry of small and unconnected snippets and cherry picked unrelated verse that was the supposed justification of the tens and then hundreds and then thousands of the different Reformation theologies.
The important thing, Narses, is that this thread was written long before Jack Chick was born. It was written in England by a historically renowned baptist preacher, Charles Spurgeon in the 1800’s.
DrE is right that Protestants have their own beliefs about Mary, and just because we state them, that doesn’t mean we’re trying to attack anyone.
It’s just what we believe.
Mary was the mother of Jesus as well as other children. She was a blessed woman who was faithful in nearly every way. Her later life was not recorded, so the safe assumption is that, as with all of us, she passed away at some point, perhaps under the care of the Apostle John.
My saying that is not designed to challenge you, but it is a simple summary of what I believe about Mary.
Darn. No facts? None? Oh well.
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