DR. PUSEY ON THE WORSHIP OF MARY IN THE CHURCH OF ROME

Sword and the Trowel ^ | 1866 | Charles Spurgeon

[Quix]

How did

the little house churches far and wide . . .

in no

significant contact with Rome nor any other great magicsterical body

manage to love Jesus and each other in any remotely Biblical sense

without such a ‘lofty’ body of !!!!TRADITIONS!!!!

and elitist RELIGIOUS political power mongers to guide them along?

And, yes, such groups have been documented throughout history from Pentecost on . . . actually . . . Pentecostal Groups have been so documented.

No. I don’t have the ref and have no need to look it up again.

[1000 silverlings]

Well I’m a country bumpkin. When you put a horse in front of me and ask okay, how many horns does this cow have? and insist on an answer, you have to realize that I don’t see a cow in the first place.

[Quix]

disingenuous?

I consider it logical idiocy.

[Quix]

You have the Trinity and the fullness of its being from the Catholic Church.

= = =

What brazen unmitigated inaccuracy.

I received my Christianity from Scripture and Holy Spirit.

The RCC didn’t even exist until about 400AD.

GOD was responsible for protecting His text . . . not a group of political, elitist, RELIGIOUS power-mongers.

[OpusatFR]

“And, yes, such groups have been documented throughout history from Pentecost on . . . actually . . . Pentecostal Groups have been so documented.

No. I don’t have the ref and have no need to look it up again.”

ROTFL! You don’t have any documentation whatsoever other than what the Catholic church has written. You can only have the spiritual development of the Fathers of the early church East and West because there is absolutely nothing written down by some primitive church.

No reference? No proof.

[Quix]

Thanks.

Would it be possible to reasonably expect a remotely timely answer to my question?

[Quix]

Thanks for your prayers for JimRob.

[Quix]

Thanks. I need to go see if he’s awake for his eye drops.

[Quix]

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[1000 silverlings]

We’re on track. I’m just being as honest with you as I can be. I don’t see any worship of Mary in the mass liturgy you
posted, but neither do I see any worship of Christ.

[OpusatFR]

“Every Apostle knew of and understood the Trinity...The fact that your church wouldn’t admit it or couldn’t figure it out for 400 years shows that your church rejected the Scriptures from the beginning.”

Oh ho! You do realize what you just confirmed is TRADITION. So, tell me, how did the doctrine of the hypostatic union develop in the primitive church?

Do you any writings to that effect to produce? Did St. Augustine just crib the thoughts?

[Fichori]

So it seems the question would be is praying to someone worship as prohibited in Deuteronomy chapter 5.(among other places)

Something to keep in mind:
Be careful translating words by themselves.

While a word may have multiple meanings, often the context limits any given word to a single meaning.

So even though a word can have a different meaning, the context may prohibit it.

[editor-surveyor]

"One of those that leaves millions dead in its wake..."

That encapsulates the reason to denounce the blasphemies of the Roman Church; they lead millions into eternal spiritual death by their antichrist embrace of ancient paganism. Worship of the "Queen of Heaven" shows up in artifacts dated to 4000 years ago; how many have thereby been lost?

[1000 silverlings]

Well you have to know the position where I am coming from and vice versa. We’ve already established that neither one of us is a hoop jumper, and I can respect that.

[Quix]

I have no need to carry such around in my noggin.

I have no SUPER NEED to prove things to folks resistent to proofs.

Folks who truly seek THE TRUTH can dig it out themselves.

[netmilsmom]

I want to see one person answer you.

Would you ping me if I miss it? Thanks

[OpusatFR]

“I have no SUPER NEED to prove things to folks resistent to proofs.”

I think you may be self-referencing.

I know the truth. You don’t have any proof. No writings. No expositions. No St. Iraeneus, No St. Augustine, No nothing.

You know what the Trinity and the Hypostatic Union is because the developement of the doctrines were made by men of the Catholic Church.

In 100AD St. Iraeneus of Lyon spoke of the Catholic Church.

Do you know who these men were:

Peter, Apostle, Saint Reigned 33-67
Pope Linus, Saint Reigned c.67-76
Pope Anacletus, Saint Reigned 76-88; aka Pope Cletus, Saint
Pope Clement I, Saint Reigned 88-97
Pope Evaristus, Saint Reigned c.98- c.106
Pope Alexander I, Saint Reigned c.106-115
Pope Sixtus I, Saint Reigned 115-125
Pope Telesphorus, Saint Reigned 125-136
Pope Hyginus, Saint Reigned c.136-140
Pope Pius I, Saint Reigned c.140-c.154
Pope Anicetus, Saint Reigned c.157-168
Pope Soter, Saint Reigned c.166-c.174
Pope Eleutherius, Saint Reigned c.175-189
Pope Victor I, Saint Reigned 189-c.198
Pope Zephyrinus, Saint Reigned 198-217
Pope Callistus I Reigned 218-c.222
Pope Urban I Reigned 222-230
Pope Pontian, Saint Reigned 230-235
Pope Anterus, Saint (Anteros) Reigned 235-236
Pope Fabian, Saint Reigned 236-250
Pope Cornelius Reigned 251-253
Pope Lucius I, Saint Reigned 253-254
Pope Stephen I, Saint Reigned 254-257
Pope Sixtus II, Saint Reigned 257-258
Pope Dionysius, Saint Reigned 260-268
Pope Felix I, Saint Reigned 269-274
Pope Eutychianus, Saint Reigned 275-283
Pope Caius, Saint Reigned 283-296
Pope Marcellinus, Saint Reigned 296-304
Pope Marcellus I, Saint Reigned 308-309
Pope Eusebius, Saint Reigned 309 or 310
Pope Miltiades, Saint Reigned 311-314
Pope Sylvester I, Saint Reigned 314-335
Pope Mark, Saint Reigned 336
Pope Julius I, Saint Reigned 337-352
Pope Liberius Reigned 352-366
Pope Damasus I, Saint Reigned 366-383
Pope Siricius, Saint Reigned 384-99
Pope Anastasius I, Saint Reigned 399-401

And we know they are saints because we know that they were martyred.

It is the Catholic Church in the early years and even before 400 there are popes.