DR. PUSEY ON THE WORSHIP OF MARY IN THE CHURCH OF ROME

Sword and the Trowel ^ | 1866 | Charles Spurgeon

[Fichori]

I think its safe to say that the Catholics who debate here only represent a fraction of the Catholics abroad.

So while those here may not profess to worship Mary, others who are not here very well may.

It would be very disingenuous to say that no Catholics worship Mary.

[OpusatFR]

” think its safe to say that the Catholics who debate here only represent a fraction of the Catholics abroad.

So while those here may not profess to worship Mary, others who are not here very well may.”

Prove it.

[Quix]

Fascinating.

Having traveled slightly widely over the planet . . . I’m even more emphatically convinced that

HUMANS

ARE INHERENTLY IDOLATROUS.

The Old Testament also affirms such a description of man . . .

And the New Testament can be construed similarly.

I suppose some folks would

DENY

. . . being an RC edifice institutionally sanctioned attitude . . .

that man has any kind of “God-shaped” void . . . which . . . when not filled with God Almighty . . . will be filled and cluttered with all manner of idols.

Sadly, disbelief in such does not prevent the existence of such!

[Quix]

Sorry. ‘Tis an issue I’ve prayed about considerably.
No. I won’t.

You are most welcome to scroll past my posts entirely. Such formatting should make identifying them to scroll past, very easy.

[Quix]

I have NEVER said

all RC’s are idolatrous.

I don’t know of ANY PROTTY HEREON WHO HAS SAID such a thing.

Straw dogs are easily burned up.

[OpusatFR]

“The doctrine of the Trinity vs various descriptions of it are likely quite different things.”

According to who, you? You have the Trinity and the fullness of its being from the Catholic Church.

What is your interpretation of the Trinity and its movement in the human soul? Let’s hear what your authority says.

[Quix]

Which is a far cry from saying that all Roman Catholics are.

Implying that Prottys hereon have said such a thing is a far cry from the truth. Implying that I've said such a thing is a further far cry from the truth.

I find it far more admirable when RC's hereon

AT LEAST

PRETEND

To have some preference for THE TRUTH.

[Quix]

We are, then, back to the

DAFFYNITION

as to

what a

ROMAN CATHOLIC CLUB MEMBER IS.

Millions of Roman Catholics the world over would be shocked thereby, that they’d just been tossed out of their club membership. THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES ROMAN CATHOLIC.

THEIR PRIESTS CONSIDER THEM ROMAN CATHOLIC.

THEIR RELATIVES CONSIDER THEM ROMAN CATHOLIC.

THEIR FRIENDS CONSIDER THEM ROMAN CATHOLIC.

THEIR PAROCHIAL, COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY TEACHERS CONSIDER THEM ROMAN CATHOLIC.

In short . . . in the common vernacular . . . your assertion simply doesn’t hold water . . . nor air . . . . nor a shred of truth.

[Quix]

Evidently the art of seeing, reading, conceptualizing remotely accurately

such diagramming . . . is

wholesale lost on many . . . pontificating illogical glories of various adorations and venerations.

[Fichori]

Manfred the Wonder Dawg posted an interesting thread that mentioned that very thing.

Conclusion from Peru and Mexico


I don't believe the burden of proof rests on either of us, to prove or disprove weather or not any Catholic abroad worships Mary.

If we have eyewitness reports of Catholics worshiping Mary, to assert that no Catholic worships Mary is rather pointless.

[Quix]

Assumptions are hazardous on all sides.

I wasn’t interested in such from such folks on this thread.

And, I often get criticized for my use of . . . as overdone . . .

of course, i realize that in some quarters and minds, I’m to be criticized for existing, breathing air and taking up space. LOL.

[netmilsmom]

>>1900+ years of idolatry is not something to be proud of.

= = =

INDEED<<

So what are we talking about here? Just some? Some people that are RC? Some people are idol worshipers? What?

[1000 silverlings]

Very well, the focus of your worship is another Christ, not the Christ of the bible.

[Quix]

I guess it is humility to posit that the congregation of one known as Qwix is the only one that is not idolatrous.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, . . .

TELL US ALL . . .

HOW ON EARTH does anyone calculate, derive such a brazen falsehood

WHEN

I've REPEATEDLY

GONE
OUT
of
my
way
to
PERSISTENTLY
state
the
VERY
OPPOSITE?!

I find such a BRAZENLY FALSE ASSERTION

TO BE: Mind bogglingly . . . something . . . ?perverse? ?bearing ?SUPER FALSE witness?

[Quix]

When that is so brazenly contrary to Scripture . . .

it’s far from

“just” anything good or

“just” anything mildly bad.

[Quix]

Good points . . . though I don’t equate

blessed with honored . . . certainly not 100%

And I believe that honoring Mary to the Godly max would be considerably less than the RC edifice encourages and institutionalizes.

[Quix]

I agree with you.

[Quix]

Seems to me we’ve gone amazingly far

with above average yet fierce decency . . .

You have had to bother with several post deletions and a few warnings . . .

However, considering the pointeness of the original post . . . seems to me things are better than we might have expected.

Congrats on your insight and wisdom.

AND SUPER THANKS.