Will the Real Martin Luther Please Stand Up

FAIRLDS ^ | by John A. Tvedtnes

[DManA]

Not to mention Luther didn’t claim to be a Prophet. Just a seeker of Truth like the rest of us.

[DManA]

The Catholic church is TOTALLY unified on all topics religious.

[P-Marlowe]

It would be wrong to conclude that Martin Luther was a "Mormon" or that he saw everything the same way Joseph Smith did...
In January 1533, Henry secretly married Anne and thus became a polygamist.

Well it looks like Henry VIII had a lot in common with Joseph Smith. Secret marriages.

This article is a crack up. Trying to paint Luther as a wanna-be Mormon and equating Henry VIII's secret marriage to Ann Boylin as equal to the Mormon doctrine of polygamy and Joseph Smith's secret marriage to 14 year old Helen Kimball is hilarious.

LET THE LIGHT SHINE!

[joebuck]

"John Calvin, for example, emphasized the concept of predestination, an idea also advanced by Luther."

Calvin never "emphasized" the concept of predestination. It didn't even appear in the first three editions of Institutes. Once it did appear the topic takes up about 50 pages out of 1500. Calvin was almost apologetic about predestination when he did include it, pointing out that he didn't like the implications of it but it was unavoidable as the logical conclusion of the true nature of Grace.

[DManA]

I don't know about you but I know I won't be. Else why did Jesus die on the cross?

we all will be held accountable for our words!

[Petronski]

The Catholic church is TOTALLY unified on all topics religious.

The Catechism certainly is. Folks who veer from that aren't properly Catholic.

[Petronski]

Calvin never "emphasized" the concept of predestination.

Calvinism certainly does....it's positively obsessed with the topic.

...it was unavoidable as the logical conclusion of the true nature of Grace....as Cauvin saw it.

[DManA]

In that case the “real” number of Catholics is about 1/4 of the official one.

[P-Marlowe]

Please be my guess say all you want about Prophet Joseph Smtih

I don't believe that I need your permission for that. Nor do you need my permission to say anything you want about Luther.

we all will be held accountable for our words!

That's why I use spellcheck.

[joebuck]

"Calvinism certainly does....it's positively obsessed with the topic."

No, critics of Calvinism are the ones obsessed with it. Calvinists see as a very small componant of the most consistent and integrated systematization of theology ever penned.

[SkyPilot]

Eck responded with the words of Augustine,(a man and a sinner -like the rest of us - why didn't he quote holy scripture?) "I should not believe the Gospel did not the authority of the Church lead me thereto." Luther replied that it was the Bible that had brought the Church into existence, being a revelation of Christ. Historically, this is incorrect; Christ founded the Church, but none of the books of the New Testament were written during the Savior's sojourn in mortality.

Ha!

The WORST debate counter point ever produced!

[restornu]

The WORST debate counter point ever produced!

Yeah with non LDS foot notes!:)

[Grunthor]

“That’s why I use spellcheck.”

hehehehehe

[Petronski]

Luther removed James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation from their normal places and relegated them to the end of the New Testament, as not being entitled to the same status as other biblical books. In his New Testament table of contents, he numbered books 1-23 and then placed the four rejected ones without numbers.

He had his own vision, and was not about to let a lousy technicality like The Inspired Word of God get in his way.

[narses]

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[TheDon]

Thanks for the post. I never would have guessed Luther was so hostile to various books of the Bible. Quite interesting. So much for sola scriptura!

[TheDon]

Article of Faith 8 (”We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly”), the prophet declared, “I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors” (History of the Church 6:57).

It took classical christianity a while to catch up, but they all say the same thing now.

[FastCoyote]

[It would be wrong to conclude that Martin Luther was a “Mormon” or that he saw everything the same way Joseph Smith did, but it is equally wrong to think that Luther’s beliefs and teachings were identical to those found among modern Evangelical Christians.]

Nice try Restornu. Luther was an intellectual, but also a down to earth man. He would have kicked Joseph Smith down the Street and into the River for the crap Joe was peddling, both intellectually and physically. Luther also wasn’t for bigamy, though he was forced to look aside at a ruler’s indiscretion.

Joseph Smith was a superstitious intellectual lightweight compared to Luther

[restornu]

Such a Telestial reply!

[Revelation 911]

youve not answered my question - why did you post this ?