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Protestants and Sola Scriptura
Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Binghamton_native
This intrigues me.

If you are smarter than I (which is probably not hard) that doesn't mean that you are a genius, much less that you are as smart as God. If you can run faster than I (again, not hard) that doesn't mean you are the fastest creature or that you can run as fast as light.

If Mary and the other saints (and the angels as well, possibly) can "process" more communications and in more languages (somehow I don't think language is an issue, but suppose it is) than you or I can, that does not require her to be omniscient (to have all the knowledge that is) or omnipotent (to have all the power that is).

This is just a negative argument, not any kind of proof or anything like that. There's an important distinction between being able to do a lot more and being able to do anything, and between very great and infinite, and so forth.

So as the native of one of the wettest places on earth (if we're talking about Binghamton NY) but still not infinitely wet, much less entirely submerged, says in #150 , I'm not pretending to provide "evidence", but simply to turn aside the proposition that we attribute to Mary et al. omniscience or any other omni.

301 posted on 05/04/2008 2:59:12 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: narses

LOL. I see this thread has left orbit.


302 posted on 05/04/2008 3:15:00 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; ..
I must give "it" to the Roman Catholic Church and Other CULTS that stand in the SHADOW; of the Cross, the Virgin birth, regeneratiom, salvation, eating and drinking Christ's Body, the Marriage of the Lamb, spiritual authority, metaphorical vestments, and most favored grace.. The shadow is far better than... not in the same general area of meaning and thought.. like say Buddism or Marxism.. Whom are also seeking God more or less..

True... they are NOT in the full view and observation in Sun of the Day.. but a partial knowledge and view is better than nothing.. I salute them for being not total heretics.. mirages in the feast of Love(Jude)..

Standing in the SHADOW of "them" is at least in the general area..
Unless they are hiding (to gain advantage)and I pray they are not..

303 posted on 05/04/2008 3:23:03 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Iscool
There is no truth in logic...Logic is a 'best guess'... And that is proven since some of you who claim to have it appear to be void of it... While logic may contain some truth in 'concept', it in no way supercedes fact...And in the absense of fact, logic is in the eyes of the beholder...

I'll repeat it for those of you in Rio Linda:

Logic is the tool of truth.

You don't have to agree with it, but it appears from your response that you have completely ignored or misunderstood it.

And, finally, although it's apprently too late, you might have wanted to consider the ramifications of poo-pooing "logic" while thinking you know the way to the "Logos."

Yeah, indeed.

304 posted on 05/04/2008 3:24:59 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: hosepipe
The Four Tops:

Standin' in the shadow of Love ....

305 posted on 05/04/2008 3:47:25 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: OpusatFR; ChurtleDawg

OK...here’s one of your prayers to a non-deity...There is a prayer to God but there is also a prayer to St. Christopher...

And no one is asking him to relay a prayer to God...

http://www.catholicsupply.com/existing/prmotorist.html


306 posted on 05/04/2008 4:01:54 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: big'ol_freeper
It is a fact that Jesus quoted extensively from books of the Old Testament that have been rejected by protestants but that have always been part of the “Catholic” Bible. I’ll stick with Jesus.

Yep...Just like the fact that Cinderella's coach turned into a pumpkin at midnight...

307 posted on 05/04/2008 4:19:09 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Mad Dawg
[ Standin' in the shadow of Love .... ]

Fornication has brought down empires..
Love in the shadows has many names..

308 posted on 05/04/2008 4:20:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: TheDon
The scriptures don't spell out how Apostles are chosen other than the original 12 and Matthias.

Of course it does...God chose Paul as the last Apostle...After Paul, there were no more Apostles...

309 posted on 05/04/2008 4:29:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
After Paul, there were no more Apostles...

Because you say so?

310 posted on 05/04/2008 4:32:40 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Quix; Petronski

“Y’all make it persistently very tempting to label the RC edifice a cult.”

Coming from a UFO truth teller, that is rich. Hale Bop anyone?


311 posted on 05/04/2008 4:33:38 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: hosepipe
Fornication has brought down empires..

Gone, gone are the topless Towers of Ilium.

312 posted on 05/04/2008 4:34:20 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Alex Murphy

This is an argument used by many Protestant churches but not all. Most of the mainstream Protestant chuches such as Lutheran, Reformed, Anglican believe the Church became corrupt during the Middle Ages. They did not reject the teachings and councils of the early church.


313 posted on 05/04/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Iscool

It turned into a rutabaga?


314 posted on 05/04/2008 4:36:37 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Petronski; Iscool
This is beyond my competence, but my impression is that since John died what we had was "successors to the Apostles", FWIW.

But here's an interesting thing to me. It is a ganerally accepted notion of the Buddhadharma that true wisdom will decrease over time, that as the interval lengthens between the paranirvana of the Shakyamuni and the present, the truth will be diluted and dissipated.

And here there are hints of the same kind of thought among Protestants. And I suggest, as a mere conjecture, that Our Lord promised that the Holy Spirit would guide, well, someone, into all truth -- though he had many things to say which could not be borne at the time. So the Christian "Scheme" seems to be that we will corporately will grow in knowledge of the truth - at least that's what the Bible, but not the Protestants, say.

The Protestants seem to think like Buddhists in this regard. The Muslims, on the third hand, seem to want to keep everything frozen in time and despise reason while making their book the ultimate authority.

315 posted on 05/04/2008 4:46:56 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg
If I thought, as some seem to do, that the Catholic Church thought it was repeating Christ's sacrifice in the Mass, I never would have converted.

You figure God loved His Son, Jesus??? You figure God was happy about the pain and humiliation??? You figure God suffered when Jesus, and because Jesus suffered???

You maybe think Jesus, when it was finally over, said to Himself; thank God, it is finally finished...And maybe God was saying, Hang on Son it's almost over, and finally, Son, it is finished...

You think God wants to keep Jesus on the cross until you guys are done with Him???

Jesus is NOT still on the Cross...And you can't put Him there...He will never be on a Cross again...

He is risen...

Jesus appeared to His disciples after He was raised...He was not on a cross...He said, I'm going away and will send the Comforter to take my place...

He DID NOT say, when you break bread and drink from the cup, I will climb back on the Cross...You figure that Jesus is in some sort of time warp so that for the last 2000 years He never left the cross???

Jesus died for me, but He is dying for you???

316 posted on 05/04/2008 4:52:45 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
You think God wants to keep Jesus on the cross until you guys are done with Him???

Jesus is NOT still on the Cross...And you can't put Him there...He will never be on a Cross again...

He is risen...

Do you imagine God the Father and God the Son (and God the Holy Spirit for that matter) are bound by YOUR perception of time and space?

317 posted on 05/04/2008 4:54:55 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Mad Dawg
...since John died what we had was "successors to the Apostles"...

For the purposes being discussed here, I would suggest that is a distinction without a difference.

318 posted on 05/04/2008 4:56:27 PM PDT by Petronski (When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth, voting for Hillary.)
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To: Iscool
And no one is asking him to relay a prayer to God...

You can either accept the explanations the Catholics give to you for their own behavior and understanding of the meaning (sometimes implicit) of their texts. Or you can set yourself up as ultimate judge of the internal disposition of others and arbiter of what their prayers mean.

Your choice.

319 posted on 05/04/2008 4:59:01 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Petronski; Iscool
I think it hinges on whether you see Jesus' central Act as one of obligation or one of love. Jesus offering Himself to the Father for our redemption is central to His identity.

Jesus doesn't resent His role.

320 posted on 05/04/2008 5:05:23 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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