Posted on 05/03/2008 4:38:34 PM PDT by NYer
1. 1600 YEARS at MOST.
2. Scholarship--using the term rather loosely--especially some centuries.
3. Founded by Christ? Utter hogwash. And, actually, a rather sizeable insult to His wisdom, knowledge, priorities and preferences as demonstrated by His attitude toward the bureaucratic RELIGIOUS political power-mongering clique of those days 2,000 years ago.
I'm reminded of the mother . . . who's son, under great smothering pressure from Mommy Dearest became a Dr. And at the dinner party with all her couple friends from the bridge club . . . and with son and his new wife . . . Mommy Dearest is going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how she helped him study in high school. And helped him study in College. And paid for everything. And on and on and on and on . . . everything always with her the star of whatever event or action she was talking about . . . such that son came off like a very low grade and low class Walter Mitty.
That's about how the RC magicsterical and reps sound about Mary's trumped up grandeur vs Jesus The Messiah, Lord of Lords and King of Kings.
Seems like one of satan's major tools is overblown Mommy Dearest gigs.
The ONLY “extra-biblical teaching” discussed on this thread is the 16th Century invention of sola scriptura.
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Boy that’s unmitigated hogwash.
Seems like on every RC post of more than 2-3 lines, there’s some UNBIBLICAL, HISTORICALLY INACCURATE, ILLOGICAL FALSEHOOD.
You should know . . .
AN OUTRAGEOUS DOUBLE STANDARD
IS part of the RC magicsterical's RUBBERIZED DOGMA mandatory not only on the part of the faithful but mandatory on the part of everyone everywhere--kind of like the Jihadi's--either be Muslim or pay tribute, or have your head cut off. No other options.
Only in this case--it's the routine double standard.
From the double standard treatment they demand and get from an unknown number of alternate mods . . . to the double standard of their rubber logic . . . to the double standard of how they demand, DEMAND to be treated vs how they insist on treating Prottys . . . It's all standard RC magicsterical duplicity. And it reaches back, pretty much, to the beginning of the RC edifice 1600 years ago.
WELL SAID.
CHRIST THE MESSIAH.
ALPHA AND OMEGA.
KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS . . .
OUR ALL IN ALL.
ALL GLORY TO GOD
ALONE.
GOD ALONE ALWAYS AND FOREVER . . . not sharing His Glory with any flesh in any remotely God-head sort of way.
We follow God the way we believe He revealed He desires.
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Hogwash.
It is difficult to think of a truly Trinitarian RELIGIOUS group that is MORE inherently operating at more of a
STRUCTURED
DISTANCE from God . . . with all manner of many layers of trumped up ritual, personages, UNBiblical dogma . . . and the like.
AND ALMOST ALL my associations with RC’s in my personal network have repeatedly emphasized the facts of that horrendous distance. Ghastly. Horrific. And many in RC’s magicsterical will be paying some heavy duty fines for such, imho.
On that score, the words AND ACTIONS of far too many RC’s brazenly flaunt the falsehood of such an assertion.
I find it comical that Catholics will claim that God gave them the ability to reason, logical thought and common sense, and then they can use this reasoning to call God a liar...Correct God's mistakes by using the reasoning God gave them...What a hoot...
The Bible says that the curse has given us a sinful nature- not a propensity for sin, but sinful by default.
Not exactly...We do have a propensity for sin...Babies are not born righteous...Babies have no desire to be obedient to the will of God...Babies are born with a sinful nature...A propensity to sin...
Do we know how that works???
Not necessarily...
Are we supposed to know how that works...
If God thought it was necessary, He would have told us...And maybe He did tell us if we spend enough time in the scripture to find out...
But God said it's so...What human being would dare say it's not...
To call God a liar to justify Mary being sinless is certainly not something I would mess with...
Even their Catholic Jerome had far better sense than that...
Hogwash, as I've noted in my last posting to this post of yours. There's a list of verifications as I noted.
And indeed, thats really what the Magisterium is: Its a living witness, guided and protected from error by God the Holy Spirit, to give a living witness to the Good News of Christ. Without this unbroken line of witnesses (apostolic succession), all we have are dead words on pages, with no real connection to today.
Hogwash. I can't think of a deader collection of whited sepulcher bureaucratic political power-mongers heading any religion that still claims to be the least bit Trinitarian. Though virtually every RELIGIOUS even Christian club are hard at work trying to catch up on such scores. Sadly.
PROTECTING FROM ERROR???? WHAT OUTRAGEOUS AFFRONTERY TO HOLY SPIRIT! If He thought that such was what God had set up, He'd likely be worried about being fired over such a poor job of keeping such a duplicitous heretical clique of self-righteous elitists from error--serious error, bloody serious error, horrifice power-mongering and sometimes even WAR-MONGERING error.
One would think RC's would postulate something that was not so demonstrably the OPPOSITE of what their history PROVED thousands of times over.
The fact that anyone pretending to be the least bit knowledgeable about the UNRUBBERIZED HISTORY could remotely believe anything of the kind--"kept us free from error" . . . is mind bogglingly . . . words fail me . . . obtuse, clueless, horrifically duplicitous--all such words are far too weak to describe the phenomenon.
is, IMO, Gods message to us today to not rely on the Bible alone,
HOGWASH.
I believe that the most plausible explanation is that it's a VIVID OBJECT LESSON IN AVOIDING IDOLATRY OF ANYTHING TANGIBLE; AVOIDING ANYTHING BUT WORSHIPPING, ADORING, VENERATING, . . . THE FATHER, SON AND SPIRIT.
Welllll, I thought maybe there would be some new slant on somthing that would prove an interesting challenge to respond to. Sadly, it was the same old same old brazenly idolotrous, blasphemous, duplicitous hogwash.
Perhaps you'll have a better chance next time. Though, if this bunch of stuff is any clue, I sure wouldn't bet the farm on it.
Mary has no influence on Jesus to deliver souls, pizza, or a big screen tv (I'm not certain on the pizza and tv)...
Salvation is a personal decision...We have assurance and confidence that God doesn't need Mary's help and that God will finish what He started...
Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Accurately describing repeated behaviors is far from false witness.
Thankfully, God knows that better than I do.
It is my [simple] understanding that the trinity are the only omnipresence.
In other words, if Mary could intercede on our behalf, if she could even hear us, she could only listen to one of us at a time.
My apologies conservativegramma...Post 1311 was supposed to be addressed to SoothingDave...
Dave, its hard not to go off on that tangent. That statue of Mary was HUGE, dead center of the altar and Christ was nowhere. Finally I found him in a tiny alcove off to the side, not even ON the altar. And He was about a fifth of the size of Mary. Try as you may to insist you dont worship Mary, but I am hard pressed to believe that because of what I saw in that church. Mary had a place in that church in a preeminent position and Christ was secondary to her. You have no idea how offensive that was to see that.
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Exceedingly accurate, imho.
Folks have built horrific dogmas amidst the RC magicsterical based on far less evidence than that. Yet they hypocritically decry our accurate descriptions of their behaviors when they repeat them soooooo extensively, intensely and so often.
You bear false witness against yourself. That church says that you do by placing Mary in an exalted position over Christ.
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I don’t know about individual hearts and motives, per se . . . certainly not routinely, anyway.
But your description is entirely accurate of far too many RC’s. That much is overtly evident repeatedly.
Excellent points.
That’s one of the healthiest states for some folks . . .
LOL.
The town of IGNORE in the State of Bangalore.
/joke
Since I am not permitted to read minds or draw conclusions about state of mind, I do not do so.
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SOUNDS
like progress.
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