Protestants and Sola Scriptura

Catholic Net ^ | George Sim Johnston

[bonfire]

Sooooo, if one doesn’t pray to Mary they are ANTI Jesus???

Quite the opposite! I pray DIRECTLY TOO Jesus. Protestants have a direct line!

[Huber]

You just built a straw man argument and then tore it down. There is an extremely important distinction between deferring to scripture and blindly ignoring every other source of revelation. If you wish to argue against a traditional understanding of revelation, you should first make the effort to fully understand the position that you wish to argue against.

[Titanites]

Your quote proves the point.

Yes, it proves my point that you were wrong. You claimed that unanimously all the Church Father believed the Scriptures to be solely authoritative. Augustine believed the Catholic Church also had authority.

Even in this well-worn quote, Augustine admits that his faith was "in the Gospel" not the Catholic Church.

We were talking about authority, not faith. Augustine clearly states that the Catholic Church has aurhority, not solely the Scriptures.

[Ann Archy]

Ya know.....you are REALLY sounding ignorant. We pray to ALL...the TRINITY..(do you pray to the Holy Spirit and God or just to Jesus?)...and we ask the Saints to ask the Trinity for favors.

Do you receive the Body and Blood of Jesus like He told you to??

[TheDon]

Jesus personally picked ALL of the real Apostles...Jesus did not pick THAT apostle...
Guess what that means...

Hmmmmm...guess? That's a good word to use. Your guess is as good as mine. :-) If the Apostles were chosen by the Savior and they were inspired men, and they felt inspired to ensure there were 12 Apostles to lead the church, and they felt inspired to choose Matthias to replace Judas, then succession makes sense.

[narses]

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[rollo tomasi]

Ahhh heck, I played the looser/loser switcheroo posting game.

My apologies.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Scripture, our Evangelical friends tell us, is the inerrant Word of God. Quite right, the Catholic replies; but how do you know this to be true?

George Sim Johnston is an evolutionist who rejects the inerrancy of Scripture.

How long do you intend to attack this straw man of "sola scriptura," NYer? I don't believe in "sola scriptura" but that doesn't make me a Catholic. Catholicism is not the only alternative to "sola scriptura."

There is a much older oral interpretive tradition that isn't embarrassed by the stories of the Hebrew Bible. You're very good at demanding that Protestants be open-minded enough to consider your tradition. Maybe you should be open minded enough to consider the Jewish one.

[ShadowAce]

(do you pray to the Holy Spirit and God or just to Jesus?)

Protestants don't talk to dead people. Only the occult does that.

Since Jesus is alive, we pray to Him and His Father. That's all we need, and that's all He wants. Contrary to what Catholics believe, Jesus (and His Father) is not too busy to be listening to us, and He listens to our prayers. We don't need another intercessor.

[Ann Archy]

So you don’t pray to the Holy Spirit....hmmmmm....OK.

[rollo tomasi]

Mathias was appointed by “CHANCE”, or by “trial of the lot”. Saul/Paul, directly by Jesus. The rest of the “line”, by infallible men who may have personnel agendas.

[Quix]

I didn’t catch Manfred’s thread.

However, we know that our beloved RM cannot be on 24/7. Even if he could—in terms of sleep—he’d need to stay sane and need some breaks!

We know that not all mods share the same sensibilities.

We know that mods do not countermand one another.

Life is not fair.

Thankfully, ultimately, God is more than fair.

[Uncle Chip]

You just built a straw man argument and then tore it down. There is an extremely important distinction between deferring to scripture and blindly ignoring every other source of revelation. If you wish to argue against a traditional understanding of revelation, you should first make the effort to fully understand the position that you wish to argue against.

This comment of yours should be directed to those who argue against Sola Scriptura.

BTW can you name something other than the holy scriptures that Paul said were "able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus, given by inspiration of God, and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"??? [II Timothy 3]

What other source of revelation could you be referring to that is "inspired by God" and accomplishes these things. Inquiring minds would like to know --

[Uncle Chip]

Ahhh heck, I played the looser/loser switcheroo posting game. My apologies.

That's okay!!! Sometimes they are one and the same.

[quadrant]

You missed my point.
A centrally controlled and administered hierarchical church is far more likely to commit error than a group of individuals, all of whom are equal in the eyes of each other, equally committed to the truth of Jesus Christ, and guided by the Holy Spirit.
If you doubt my assertion that such a group is more likely to compile an accurate picture of God's revelation to mankind, I suggest you consider the Constitution of the US. Of course the circumstances are different, the purpose different, and the document different, but do you believe that any centrally administered organization could have produced the US Constitution? If you have evidence for a visible and hierarchical church, I'd like to see it. I've read the Bible from cover to cover on several occasions and never come across such a blueprint.

As to the Book of Maccabees, I have no objection to its inclusion. Such a problem is small potatoes. My only desire is that the Old Testament should mirror the text used by Jews. After all, the Old Testament is a record of their revelation and relationship to God.

[the invisib1e hand]

Logic, like common sense, are for people who don't know Truth...

Famous last words. Anyone who's uttered them was shortly thereafter set adrift like a helium baloon.

Logic is the tool of truth.

Please tell us you're joking.

[the invisib1e hand]

what you say may or may not be true, but the present post is anything but the epitome of logic. It pretty much hits for the cycle in fallacies, which is a hallmark of modern Catholic apologetics. The Staw-man is the star player. Personally, I think evangelicals of the Arminian/Weslyan tradition (in which Tradition is respected, though not equal to Scripture) are mostly right, though they generally don't know why they are right. That makes them inept at defending their positions. How Republican of them.

you know how too much troweling can ruin a good plaster job?

[the invisib1e hand]

Sophistry alert.

[ChurtleDawg]

I have news fo you: us Catholics pray to the Lord God Almighty. I pray to Him every day.

According to the Catholic Cathechism, the Lord’s Prayer, given to us by Jesus Christ, is the foundation and starting point for all prayer.

In practice, when praying my own personal prayers, I start with the Our Father prayer. That is the KEY prayer in all of Christendom, because Christ Himself gave it as an example of proper prayer.

The Communion of Saints is a doctrine that all of God’s people are still with each other, although some of them are passed on to God’s Kingdom. The Catholic (and Orthodox, and Coptic and some Protestant Churches) feel it is just fine to ask them to pray with you, to join in your prayers. The Church feels that their prayers, added to your own, can help you.

The Church never teaches that they are substitutes for The Most Holy Trinity. They are servants and messengers of God who can assist you with your needs.

[thefrankbaum]

Petrosius already pointed out the article you supplied was denominated in Lire - not a huge amount.