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[roamer_1]

I'd like to encourage anyone who doesn't understand the Catholic relationship with the Blessed Virgin to please read this book.

Thanks for that, but might you find something similar on-line that presents your argument? I would be happy to read such material if you (all) consider me uninformed. An on-line reference is much easier to quote from, and is instantaneously available to all the participants.

[annalex]

John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Couldn’t be any clearer.

The question was not whether we come to the Father only through Jesus (we always do) but whether we come to Jesus through Mary (we very often do).

[annalex]

All he could do was suffer it

If I were asked to say in one word what converted my wife, I would say, my Rosary.

But beside suffering and prayer, we give witness with our own church life, reason, knowledge of the Holy Scripture, and ardor in defending the Faith from calumny.

[annalex]

Thanks.

I would generally encourage every anti-Catholic out there to check his anti-Catholicism with the Catechism of the Church. 90% of the time, if what is presented by them as Catholic were true, I’d be anti-Catholic myself.

[Tax-chick]

Excellent points.

[BaBaStooey]

He hasn’t been stumped, the bails are there. That is famed wicketkeeper-batsman Adam Gilchrist of Australia smacking a delivery from a poor USA bowler a long long way away from the middle.

Yes, the United States has a cricket team. Yes, they played (and were beaten badly by) Australia.

I am the keeper of the FreeRepublic Cricket ping list.

[BaBaStooey]

This thread on FR from a few weeks ago does a pretty decent job.

[roamer_1]

This thread on FR from a few weeks ago does a pretty decent job.

Thanks, I will look it over.

[BaBaStooey]

NYer has also recently posted this thread. I haven't read it yet, but the topic indicates that it will be helpful to our discussion.

[papertyger]

There's an awful lot of Protestants out there who claim their prayers are answered by God...Myself included...

Far be it from me to dispute that. Nevertheless, what distinguishes grace from fortunate happenstance is all but undetectable for many who call on Jesus Christ.

The "grace" taught by many is nothing but "stone soup."

My question to all is this: If God were ignoring you for your bad behavior, would you be able to tell?

[papertyger]

God already set the limits...You know what the limits are...The limits are no one...

Then you have a comprehensive description of what "by me" looks like?

[AnAmericanMother]

I can see the bails now, but I had to look closely because of the line of the edge of the pitch in the background.

I am the keeper of the FreeRepublic Cricket ping list.

Proving once again that you can find anything on FR!

(please put me on the list!)

[papertyger]

Sounds like a perfect summation of the Council of Trent's Sixth Session.

Even a Palestinian couldn't make that claim with a straight face.

The sixteenth century Council of Trent is someone pulling the string on a "tickle-me-Elmo" next to the bile you guys spew EVERY-DAY!

[papertyger]

Heb 7:19-28

Um, yeah? So? I'm still not the one that tried to fly the notion that all intercession is exclusive to priesthood: you are.

But you miss the point: There is no other. He is the Sovereign, the Redeemer, and the Priest.

Physician heal thyself! Why are commanded to pray for one another?

I know what it looks like when someone is trying to defend a distinction without difference, but apparently many here do not.

You need an intercessor for your Intercessor? What, is He too busy or something?

Mock as you like, but yes, we have an intercessor to The Intercessor. What is that to you?

...Or perhaps it is merely the record of his first miracle, wrapped around a young man honoring his mother, in spite of an "Aw, Jeez, Ma..." moment.

Does "Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come" sound like "Aw, Jeez, Ma" to you?

Since Mary's intercession is only inferred within the passage, as I am sure you will agree, I would be more comfortable with your interpretation thereof if it could be confirmed 'thematically' elsewhere at the very least.

No.

I have no intention of kowtowing to sectarian insistence that Scripture is the only yardstick of validity.

I have the witness of this Scripture and Church teaching. That is sufficient.

[roamer_1]

NYer has also recently posted this thread. I haven't read it yet, but the topic indicates that it will be helpful to our discussion.

Sorry. Read them both thoroughly. I am very comfortable rejecting

• The immaculate conception of Mary and it's inherent supposition that she was born free of sin (to include original sin).

• The assumption of Mary based upon the afore mentioned supposition that she was without sin. **Note: I am not against an assumption, as that is represented in others before Christ (Enoch, Elijah), But the evidence as presented defies logic, reduces Christ, and is extra-canonical.

• Mary's role as co-redemptress and co-mediatrix which is wholly absurd. There is no scriptural basis for it and it cannot stand. Christ is the only Redeemer, and the only Intercessor (Priest).

[roamer_1]

I have the witness of this Scripture and Church teaching. That is sufficient.

The you may keep it.

[papertyger]

Mary's role as co-redemptress and co-mediatrix which is wholly absurd.

How so?

Note: this does NOT mean you pontificate on your opinion of those terms, but that you dissect the Catholic justification for using them.

[roamer_1]

There is nothing to justify. There is one Redeemer. There is one Intercessor/Mediator. His name is Jesus Christ. There is no other.

[papertyger]

Well, I asked for an explaination of why you think the Catholic position is absurd, and you replied with exactly what I asked you to refrain from.

If this discussion is about nothing more than making you feel good about yourself, please let the rest of us know before we waste time reasoning with you.

[roamer_1]

If this discussion is about nothing more than making you feel good about yourself, please let the rest of us know before we waste time reasoning with you.

Many may be able to reason with me, but your sarcastic tone and condescension leave you outside of that company.

It is pointless anyway, as there is little (I would say "no") standing for your position in the Scriptures, and you have already determined to rely upon your traditions... Those same traditions having no weight with me whatsoever.

You will be subjected to the Protestant "insistence that Scripture is the only yardstick of validity", by me and my fellows- A position that offers you no foundation. So why bother?

Have a nice night.