Posted on 03/23/2008 5:08:33 PM PDT by markomalley
The word “conversion” is not really applicable to the picture in question. As chief Pastor Lon Solomon of the McLean Bible Church notes, there is no particular reason to stop being Jewish when you become a Christian. Jesus didn’t, and he didn’t.
Rather presumptuous don't you think?
b'SHEM Yah'shua
Fur Shur you'll never hear the Reverend Hagee praying for the "conversion" of the Jews ~ and just a few weeks back we had a bunch of Freepers screaming and hollering that Hagee was a mind-numbed, knee-jerk, robot-like anti-Catholic bigot (and about 99% of their argument was based on "evidence" dredged up/created by a homosexual activist).
Wonder how many of the anti-Hagee crowd have been painting the Pope as a bigot over this particualar prayer issue?
Didn’t that other former Inquistor General Joe Carafa already try this in 1555?
If, as Christians believe, Jesus is the Messiah promised, then what exactly would you expect them to pray?
Having studied the Talmud, I find that this is an odd complaint indeed. Coming from those who’s faith professes that all non-Jews are not human, nothing but animals, with no standing before God. The Talmud, the holiest of Jewish books, teaches Jews that it is not a crime to kill a gentile, that it is not a sin to lie to a gentile, that it is not a sin to steal from a gentile, (indeed, returning a found item to a gentile is a punishable offense,) that Mary was a whore, that Jesus was a bastard who is boiling in human excrement in hell. “Thou shall not bear false witness,” and the other Commandments do not apply to Jews when dealing with Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human.
As incredible as this seems, it is absolute fact. If you don’t believe it read a Talmud. (You can google it and surf around a little bit, you’ll find it.) There is a reason you don’t find it in public libraries. Beware though of Jewish denials. They are told in the Talmud not to reveal the Talmud to Gentiles because they will surely be killed if a Gentile reads it. And it specifically instructs Jews to use subtrefuge to protect themselves from criticism.
I researched this certain that it was wrong. I was shocked.
It is not presumptuous. Paul prayed for the conversion of the Jews (Rom. 9:1-3; 10:1). If it was all right for Paul to do it, then it is all right for us to do it.
What is presumptuous is to suggest that G-d belongs to those who reject
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
the L-rds feast days and instead celebrate pagan feasts like Easter,
Christmas and Sundays.
If you believe that Yah'shua is the Jewish Messiah, then why do
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
you reject the feast days that He has commanded and instead replace
them with Pagan feasts like Easter, Christmas and Sundays?
More that Christians should find Judaism appealing.
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Presumptuous, no - loving yes. We are also told, in the OT, to pray for the peace of Jerusalem is that presuptuous of a Christian too. We are praying for Jews to recognise Jesus Christ as their Saviour so that they may be fulfilled in their faith!
Mel
Salvation=Christianity...No Christians outside of the Catholic Church...Interesting...
However;
Almighty and everlasting God, you do not refuse your mercy even to the Jews; hear the prayers which we offer for the blindness of that people so that they may acknowledge the light of your truth, which is Christ, and be delivered from their darkness.
Note that the purpose of this prayer is to ask God to overcome the failure of the Jews to recognize Christ as the Messiah.
God already has a plan...I'm sure he won't deviate from it...
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall (future) take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
While it's good to pray for individual Jewish people as well as others, it won't do any good to pray for the salvation of Israel...
God is the One who put the blinders on Israel...And He says He will remove the blinders at the appropriate time...Not sooner...
That’s rich! On the basis of that bit of legalistic nonsense, you have the “presumption” to cut off a billion people from the right to refer to “the Lord our God”!!!???
If you’re going to come on these threads just to be peevish like this, why don’t you instead go find some high-brow cocktail party someplace and hang around the punchbowl being annoying to people. Don’t forget the propeller beanie. Nice touch!
Give me a break!!!
Er...that's what we pray for!
There was an article a while back about how some Jews view Zionist evangelicals as "useful idiots".
What yeshiva did you study at?
I'm sorry, G*d doesn't belong to me, I belong to G*d.
I'm a Christian and I still celebrate the L*rd's feast days.
I also celebrate Easter, as the time when Christ rose from the dead, and Christmas, as the time when Christ was born.
If you can point me to someone that can tell me unequivocally when Christ was born, died, and rose from the tomb, I will be more than happy to celebrate those days.
Rabbinism not so muchJudaism yes
particularly when it points away from YHvH
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