Posted on 03/16/2008 9:30:40 AM PDT by DouglasKC
DouglasKC is a disciple of Moses.
That’s one of the highest compliments I have ever seen.
Joh 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Joh 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Joh 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Joh 9:6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
Joh 9:7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
Joh 9:8 The neighbors therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
Joh 9:9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
Joh 9:10 Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?
Joh 9:11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
Joh 9:12 Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.
Joh 9:13 They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
Joh 9:14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
Joh 9:15 Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
Joh 9:17 They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
Joh 9:18 But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
Joh 9:19 And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
Joh 9:20 His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
Joh 9:21 But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
Joh 9:22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
Joh 9:23 Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
Joh 9:24 Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
Joh 9:25 He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
Joh 9:26 Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
Joh 9:27 He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
Joh 9:28 Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses’ disciples.
Joh 9:29 We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
Joh 9:30 The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvelous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
A disciple is a learner and I'm happy to learn from Moses. I'm also a disciple of Christ and strive to follow his teachings as closely as possible.
Christ intended that his death be commemorated on Passover, the anniversary of his death. Many in the early church continued to observe Passover. In fact, Passover was not "officially" banned until 325 AD, when the The Council of Nicea officially said not to observe the Passover on Nisan 14.
After that those who believed in observing the word of God and not the judgment of men went underground and were labeled heretics for doing God's will.
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The law of God is written in the hearts and mind of those who are under the new covenant.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
One of those law, one of those commandments written in the hearts of those who follow Christ is the 4th commandment:
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The sabbath is the Lord's sabbath.
The real meaning of the sabbath was discussed in the third and fourth chapters of Hebrews.
It certainly is. And Hebrews 4:9 says there still remains a sabbath keeping for the people of God.
It might seem harmless. And it might seem to be fun. But God doesn't condone mixing pagan practices with worship of him.
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
I attend church on the sabbath and I don't get into NASCAR.
Is this saying NOT to observe God's holy days? Or is it saying don't let anyone judge you in HOW you are keeping God's holy days?
The magazine is published by United Church of God. This is from A Brief History of the United Church of God
: Many of the current ministers and members of the United Church of God were once members of the Worldwide Church of God, a nonprofit corporation under the leadership of Herbert W. Armstrong until his death in 1986. A subsequent unwarranted shift toward nonbiblical practices and beliefs led numerous ministers and members to leave the fellowship of that organization.
Concerned with uneven administrative practices of the former assembly, more than 100 ordained ministers developed a new administrative structure that was more directly accountable to members and the ministry.
Unfortunately for the late Mr. Armstrong, his many novel doctrines are all over 1900 years too late in their formulation to be expositions of "authentic, primitive" Christianity, and most of the others that he borrowed seldom have, in turn, more than a 200 year-old pedigree themselves, which is equally incapable of establishing apostolic origins to the doctrines!
I would say that Armstrong didn't really come up with any new or original doctrine. Instead his strength was to publicize biblical doctrine that had been trivialized and ignored by the traditional church. Ideas such as observing God's holy days and not man created holy days were nothing new.
Armstrongism is little more than a cult, in which an appreciation for historical Christianity is of no concern whatsoever.
I can't argue what "Armstrongism" holds because I'm not an "Armstrongite". However, I do know that traditional Christianity has decided that in many cases tradition should trump the bible.
What utter rubbish this article is! It makes objections that never existed for very near 1900 years since the time of Christ, and still dares to complain of the novelty of Easter celebrations! Whew!
The only things that need to be addressed are:
1. Was Easter observed by Christ?
2. Did the Lord specify which days are holy and which days to observe?
3. Did the traditional church stop observing these days and substitute their own?
You're welcome.
As did Christ who ‘condensed the Law into two ‘love’ commandments.
‘Legalism is defined in following God’s Law’
My mis-speaking. However, no one is justified by the Law. Romans 5:1.
‘Was Easter observed by Christ?’
Would’ve been tough for Him to do so, since by the first anniversary of His resurrection, Easter, He was back in Heaven.
What date do Jews celebrate passover this year?
Armstrong had more than a few novel ideas of his own creation, and was an avid proponent of still more ideas that do not pre-date him by very much - which is another way of saying that all such novelties miss having a connection to the Apostolic Era by some 1900 years. Armstrong's embrace of, and expansion of, the concept of "Anglo-Israelism" is perhaps the most ludicrous and notorious of these ideas, and serves well to demonstrate the dismally low level of scholarship and credibility that he has overall.
This is a rather silly question, when you think about it. He certainly "observed" His own Resurrection, if that's what you mean! But, no, He did not observe Easter (or the anniversary of His resurrection) while He lived here on earth for the simple reason that He was no longer here as a walking, talking God/Man after His ascension! That, you will recall, was only 40 days after His resurrection, and therefore missed reaching even the first anniversary of His resurrection by 325 days.
2. Did the Lord specify which days are holy and which days to observe?
No, He did not. Neither did He prohibit observations of the days commemorating His birth, death and resurrection, which the Church established very early on.
3. Did the traditional church stop observing these days and substitute their own?
Yes, they did. Certainly St. Paul implies, in Romans 14, that the holy days of the Jews were no longer mandated in the New Covenant. There is absolutely no evidence that the universal Church celebrated even one of them after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, and even the ethnic Jews who were Christians had become absorbed into the general Christian population and stopped their observances by the mid-second Century. To resuscitate these Old Covenant holy days, and imply they have some mandate to this day, bespeaks a special kind of arrogance, and implies a very poor reliance on the the providential care of God for His own Church.
Herbert W. Armstrong, among others, had just such that kind of a lack of understanding of God's Providence. The groups that splintered off from his Worldwide Church of God, such as the one which published this article, continue in that fundamental lack of understanding. Furthermore, their use of such highly discredited sources about "Catholicism" like Alexander Hislop betrays an ignorance of even the most basic understanding of Church and world history, the development of world religions, and a methodology for the cultivation of even the most elementary logic about pretty much anything.
The article heading this thread is ludicrous at all levels. I would not trust its authoritativeness on even a single point. Dig deeper.
Your original post certainly drew some, to be gentle, less than studied comments.
From what the apostle writes in both chapter three and four of Hebrews he seems to be saying that the 7th. day of Genesis 22:2&3 was still running when the Israelites were made to wander the wilderness and was still running in Paul’s day. Then a statement of his point in Hebrews 2:10 that we enter into that Sabbath resting by desisting from our own works and dong God’s will. Hence it seems the apostle is saying that that last “day” of Genesis hasn’t ended yet. Perhaps explaining why Jesus was “Lord of the Sabbath”. I’d enjoy hearing your thoughts on the matter.
(Abib the ripening of the barley in the Spring) The fourteenth evening after the new moon each Spring. This year it begins the evening of April 19th. Passover is always the 14th of Abib or Nisan each year.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
DKC>2. Did the Lord specify which days are holy and which days to observe?
M> No, He did not.
You have been blinded to the Holy Word of Elohim by the TraditionsInteresting, You deny that Jesus (Yah'shua) the pre-existent one;
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
One with the Godhead with YHvH; The "Word of God" did not in His Holy Word
tell us starting in Genesis what day He considered Holy.
begun at the Council of Nicea by the Pagan Emperor: Constantine.
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