Posted on 03/16/2008 9:30:40 AM PDT by DouglasKC
Are you saying the 14th evening after the new moon after the spring equinox???
The most precise method is after the ripening of the barley,b'SHEM Yah'shua
the 14th day of the next lunar month.or the use of the Hillel calendar.
There is nothing wrong with celebrating Jesus's resurrection 365 days a year. Whether it was a Monday or Thursday or whatever makes no difference.
‘If you love Him, you will do what He says.
“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” Also
“this cup is the new covenant in my blood, shed for you for the remission of sin, do this in remembrance of me.”
I do.
“Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat it.”
I am not part of the ‘us’. Nor Jewish. I don’t celebrate Passover. Those who seem to miss the significance of what Christ did, are the same as the ones calling for old Jewish holidays and excoriating others for Easter. The Law was fulfilled by Christ, we live by Grace since the resurrection. By faith we uphold the Law, (we still don’t keep it)Romans 3:31. Christ has paid the price of the LAW for us.
Colossians 2 - 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21”Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
So the answer is "no", Christ did not observe Easter. And none of his disciples observed a day dedicated to his resurrection whether it was called Easter or something else. As followers of Christ, Christians, we are to do the same:
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2. Did the Lord specify which days are holy and which days to observe?
No, He did not. Neither did He prohibit observations of the days commemorating His birth, death and resurrection, which the Church established very early on.
Yes, he did. Beginning in Genesis:
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
The sabbath day was the very first thing made holy in our universe.
Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
The Lord, Christ, then goes on to enumerate exactly what days we are to hold holy and which days to observe.
3. Did the traditional church stop observing these days and substitute their own?
Yes, they did. Certainly St. Paul implies, in Romans 14, that the holy days of the Jews were no longer mandated in the New Covenant.
The traditional church did stop observing the holy days given by the Lord. But Paul didn't imply that all in Romans 14. I understand that you read it that way, but can you tell me why?
Mazol Tov to you and your corporation.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach AdonaiNAU Joshua 24:15 "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD,
choose for yourselves today whom you will serve:
whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River,
or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living;but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."
Well....if you acknowledge in your heart on a daily basis the resurrection of Our Lord and what significance that fact holds for humanity.....no, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
But......if you attach that event to a pagan holiday (Easter), occurring annually.....and attempt to Christianize something heathen against the express wishes of Our Lord [Jeremiah 10:2] Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them....then I think you are walking on thin ice....scripturally.
We are told to observe the Passover (the death) of Our Lord. We were never told to observe the resurrection. Easter is a man made holiday. In post #33 I linked to a site showing a letter from "Polycrates", a Bishop of Ephesus. He was a third....maybe fourth generation Christian in the late second century......a disciple of Polycarp who himself was a disciple of the Apostle John. This shows the true Church of God still celebrating Passover 150 years after the crucifixion. Why do you think they were doing that? The Church of God has always kept Our Lord's Sabbaths and Holy Festivals. The false Church has convinced most of Christianity that Easter is God ordained. It is not difficult to find the true meaning of Easter. It is not Christian.
Christians do not celebrate Passover because it was superseded by the “True” Passover sacrifice: Christ’s death on the cross. Passover was meant to be a mere prefigurement of “the Real Thing.” Once the Real Thing occured, it was no longer necessary to celebrate a feast that only pointed to it. Indeed, it would be wrong to celebrate it now, since the implication in the celebration is that the Messiah has not fulfilled it yet! This is the same reason why Christians do not attempt to emulate the animal sacrifices of the Temple. They, too, were merely a prefigurement of the True Sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. Indeed, the whole Law (save the Ten Commandments) was rendered unnecessary by Christ’s atoning death on the cross, as St. Paul makes abundantly clear in passages riddled throughout his Epistles.
‘Therefore, whether you like it or not, you actually do keep the Law’
Not a matter of like or dislike, neither you nor I have kept the LAW. We sin. That doesn’t invalidate the LAW, it remains.
‘You might want to reconsider not being part of the “us”.’
The referenced ‘us’ was referring to the Apostles and Jesus meeting for the Passover Feast. I wasn’t there. I am a member of the Body of Christ.
‘Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. (I Corinthians 5:8)
This is a reference to Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread, a commandment to a “gentile” church.’
When read in context, Paul is referring to the Corinthian Churches boasting about having a man who has his father’s wife within the fellowship. The admonition to ‘old leaven’, malice and wickedeness, was for the fellowship to expel the man or ‘hand him over to Satan’ for the good of both the fellowship and the sinner. Without it his wickedness would affect all of them.
I would submit that the ‘old leaven’ also referred to people who wished for their old Jewish ways. Paul and Peter’s argument over this very subject and the resulting Church Council ended with the ‘rules’ for converted Gentiles thusly:
Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
‘but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. This is a reference to Passover’
Or the Lord’s Supper. Since that was instituted by Christ, it was likely foremeost in their mind.
‘Christians do not celebrate Passover because it was superseded by the “True” Passover sacrifice: Christ’s death on the cross. Passover was meant to be a mere prefigurement of “the Real Thing.” Once the Real Thing occured, it was no longer necessary to celebrate a feast that only pointed to it. Indeed, it would be wrong to celebrate it now, since the implication in the celebration is that the Messiah has not fulfilled it yet! This is the same reason why Christians do not attempt to emulate the animal sacrifices of the Temple. They, too, were merely a prefigurement of the True Sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. Indeed, the whole Law (save the Ten Commandments) was rendered unnecessary by Christ’s atoning death on the cross, as St. Paul makes abundantly clear in passages riddled throughout his Epistles.’
BTTT exactly right.
‘The majority of Christians see this as a commandment to all Christians. Jesus is telling His followers how to remember him, but observing the Passover with unleavened bread and wine, symbols of His broken body and shed blood. How you can parse this out to exclude yourself is stunning.’
Rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
‘You understand that this entire belief of your is based on the Bible not meaning what it actually says.’
Your comment that it is a commandment to the Gentile Church to observe Passover isn’t your interpretation?
‘The idea that there is a separation between a gentile Christian and a Hebrew Christian is directly contrary to what Paul teaches.’
The idea that the converted Jews didn’t want to impose their old ways upon the converted Gentiles is fiction and readily disproved by reading Acts. Separation was never referenced by me.
‘Also, if a Gentile convert is only required of those three things, why does Paul teach the commandments to the “gentile” churches?’
Again, these were the things that the Council agreed the Gentiles should have to observe of the Jewish ‘rules’. Ten Commandments are not Jewish, they are God’s Law.
‘It seems incredibly non-linear to say “the Sabbath is the only commandment not repeated in the NT” and then say “we only need to observe the 3 rules” and then notice that Paul preached the first 3 commandments to Ephesus at the risk of his very kneck.’
It is also incredibly stupid to argue with me over something I never said. That is risking your very ‘kneck’.
‘In fact, if you look at Genesis closely, you can see many parts of the Law were observed by people prior to the existence of the tribe of Judah.’
Not surprising, since God had ‘written on their hearts’ or provided them with a conscience.
‘It is also incredibly stupid to argue with me over something I never said. That is risking your very ‘kneck’.
Sorry, I confused threads. Are you threatening me? Should I ping the mod? That is way harsh.’
How can I threaten one I don’t know. You may ping the mod if you choose.
‘Please learn how to put your quotes in italics.’
Thanks for the lesson in HTML. I doubt I’ll use it.
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