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Study: Catholics losing the faith
Medill Reports ^ | Feb 27, 2008 | Greg Trotter

Posted on 03/01/2008 7:26:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Hacksaw; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; fortheDeclaration; DarthVader

The RC edifice singles ITSELF OUT for note and response hereon

abundantly in a myriad of egregious ways.

Help? Who’s askng for help?

Courtesy pings are for interest or to share the joke or some such.

I don’t feel ill or otherwise in need of help. Last I checked my 80-90nwpm fingers were doing just fine.

Of course, if they want to chime in with their own observations, that’d be fine, too.

Popes and accounting fraud . . . OHHHHH, that’s a rich one. I’m tempted to use my new favorite emoticon. ROTFLOL GTTM!

Evil wars of conquest don’t count, I guess.

Idolatrous rituals and idols in the interest of greater contributions don’t count, I guess.

Indulgences for money don’t count, I guess.

Stealing other people’s property and substance and rendering them hounded and homeless doesn’t count, I guess.

Pretty slick gig, if you can manipulate your way into it successfully enough. What polished power mongering has been so on offer for 1600 years. Amazing.


61 posted on 03/02/2008 10:51:32 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Hacksaw

I pray not.

Lots of insights can occur in lots of situations.

Who knows the precise contingencies of such things, but God alone.

I only know that the insight will occur.


62 posted on 03/02/2008 10:52:40 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
63 posted on 03/02/2008 10:52:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Petronski

Slick personal assault there, Petronski. Very slick.

Congrats.

Clearly the awareness and knowledge about my degree, quality, robustness of my personal confidence is a mystery to many.


64 posted on 03/02/2008 10:54:12 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

And for your kind drop-in.

But I need to get to the AG post and quit having so much ‘fun’ at this. LOL.


65 posted on 03/02/2008 10:55:05 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Barnacle

Please do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.


66 posted on 03/02/2008 10:56:25 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Quix
Slick personal assault there, Petronski. Very slick.

Don't congratulate yourself. It's unbecoming.

67 posted on 03/02/2008 11:07:51 AM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Alex Murphy
“The Church is falling behind,” said Deck, executive director of cultural diversity for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. “We don’t have enough foot soldiers.” ... “We have to be very careful,” Deck said. “Our role is to promote the Gospel, not any particular culture – not even American culture.”

THIS is one of many problems: Executive Director of Cultural Diversity. In other Words, Jerome, You are not a Christian you are a Liberal. And just as the left was not concerned with keeping "religion" in its place but keeping Christianity out of the public square, multiculturalists are NOT concerned with promoting ANY culture but merely in attacking American culture at every turn. There are simply too many ironies in Mr. Deck's vocation and words to list them exhaustively.

The Church’s teachings are not out of place with the times, Deck said, but there is a shortage of priests and lay ministers to spread the word, and effectively link parishoners to the Gospel.

The Church's teachings are universal and meant for all time. In season or out of season.

“It’s our mission to evangelize and we are failing that,” said Deck, explaining that the term ‘evangelize’ includes the “conversion of the human heart and the promotion of social justice.”

Social justice too often means people believe that evil is someone ELSE's problem. True disciples of Christ realize that evil is OUR problem. Chastity is just as important as almsgiving.

The Catholic Church also struggles to reach out specifically to the needs of minority communities, such as blacks, Asians and Hispanics, said Deck, who has spent his career in the Hispanic ministry. And the assimilation of immigrants into the Church and also American culture is a tricky balance, he said.

That is too bad. Christ did not target certain people to evangelize or heal, he was notoriously NOT class-conscious either, much to the chagrin of the various and sundry liberation theologists who love to prattle on about social justice but Never about moral justice. Christ did NOT come into the world to make it safe for democracy or free the slaves or establish an egalitarian Utopia; He came to bring the dead to life.

68 posted on 03/02/2008 11:09:25 AM PST by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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To: veritas2002
It’s great to talk about the conversion of hearts but for the past 40 post-Vatican II years we’ve been gun shy about actively working to convert people to the Catholic Church.

Actually, I would love to see a conversion of Catholics WITHIN the Church. I have kids in grade school telling me how their classmates watch R rated movies. Daughter of one EEM at our church wears mini miniskirts to church every Sunday, as Catholics we get the same number of abortions as secularists so where to begin? Numbers won't mean anything without a conversion of the heart.

69 posted on 03/02/2008 11:14:58 AM PST by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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To: Quix
BTW, are you US Navy or some other sort of sailor?

I used to sail races on Lake Michigan. That's where I got the name I use on FR.

There's nothing like being under sail, except maybe hot air ballooning. But, I haven't tried that yet.

70 posted on 03/02/2008 11:16:39 AM PST by Barnacle (Reagan Republicanism R.I.P.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Sorry folks.


71 posted on 03/02/2008 11:18:29 AM PST by Barnacle (Reagan Republicanism R.I.P.)
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To: Barnacle

Tsk! Tsk!

But “ass” is in the Bible.

“rat’s ass” could mean a donkey belonging to a rat.


72 posted on 03/02/2008 11:21:42 AM PST by Palladin (Michelle Obama is Aunt Esther, without the Bible.)
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To: Palladin

Come to think of it, ‘Rats ARE Donkeys.


73 posted on 03/02/2008 11:22:11 AM PST by Palladin (Michelle Obama is Aunt Esther, without the Bible.)
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To: Petronski

I thought I was congratulating you!

Have we fallen down another RC edifice ALICE-IN-WONDERLAND rabbit hole where left is right and up is down?


74 posted on 03/02/2008 11:26:40 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: TradicalRC

What a timely, fitting, thought-provoking post. Thanks.


75 posted on 03/02/2008 11:27:25 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Barnacle

Ahhhhhhh . . . the one time I went sailing was a real trip.

Alas other priorities and locales have taken over.


76 posted on 03/02/2008 11:28:23 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Palladin

And that DNA T-factor rises up again! LOL.


77 posted on 03/02/2008 11:29:15 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Quix
Matthew 23:1-3 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Jesus was NOT AT ALL interested in rebellion either but in submission. Rebellion does not come from God, but from Satan.

78 posted on 03/02/2008 11:39:04 AM PST by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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To: Quix
Which Pope ever did that for their wholesale evils?

Peter comes to mind.

79 posted on 03/02/2008 11:41:08 AM PST by TradicalRC (Let's make immigration Safe, Legal and Rare.)
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To: TradicalRC

QUITE SO . . .

REBELLION AGAINST WHOM OR WHAT????

AGAINST GOD!

Corrupt RELIGIOUS, blasphemy encouraging, idolatry encouraging EDIFI are an entirely different matter.

‘Rebellion’ against satan and all his works is encouraged.


80 posted on 03/02/2008 11:41:37 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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