Study: Catholics losing the faith

Medill Reports ^ | Feb 27, 2008 | Greg Trotter

[Greg F]

There is a saying in the law that “hard cases make bad law.” May apply to theology as well.

[Quix]

Works for me.

Thanks.

[Appleby]

Then one is not a believing Catholic, obviously. However, it is far more likely that I will be crucified for not believing Obama is infalliable than you are for not believing the same regarding His Holiness.

[LurkingSince'98]

I am sure Grunthor appreciated you putting words in his mouth - another of your very bad posting habits. It is a no-no to put words in another's mouth, actually very unchristian.

You might want to ask permission - a strange concept - to put your words in his mouth next time.

It is contrary to the Catholic faith to consider Mary a goddess or “Jr goddess” as was the slur you put.

You have been informed by Roman Catholics innumerable times on these posts that Catholics are forbidden by their faith to worship Mary - yet your persist time after time with that particular slur.

You should read any of the first thru fourth century Church historians - any one of them - you choose - and do it today not as you put it “decades ago”.

Oh but I forgot, you are “too busy”, it’s not “a priority for you”, you read them “decades ago” and remember them vividly - as they were seared yes seared upon your brain - all those writings by all of those authors as Roman Catholic.

Lurking’

[Quix]

I think I’m missing any meaty point to the post . . . unless it’s just a flailing rant.

Which . . . is fine with me.

[LurkingSince'98]

“magicsterical” another one of your little slurs on our Roman Catholic beliefs.

A little play on our Catholic Church’s Magisterium as if its “magic” and “hysterical”.

You post slur after slur on the Roman Catholic faith and think nothing of it -

If I didn’t know better John 6:60-66 may have been written just for you.

Lurking’

[Grunthor]

“Next you’ll start saying that Mary was just a woman instead of a Jr goddess.”

Now now, I she did raise our Lord, so honestly I have a special place in my heart for her. I likely would not put her on the same pedestal that Catholics seem to though.

[LurkingSince'98]

post after post your biased slurs directly attack our Roman Catholic faith.

If you think my calling on you to respond with reasoned discourse based upon your quoting actual historical texts is a flailing rant, then you are no gentleman and are a very poor representative of your faith.

Lurking

[LurkingSince'98]

I appreciate your feeling for Mary as I have come to have a particular fealty for Her.

I often think of Her words to the wine-servants at Cana: “Do whatever He tells you to do.”

I get the feeling at times that She was addressing that to me, and I do try and follow Her exhortation.

Regards,
Lurking’

[Quix]

Hmmmmmm

What an interesting construction on reality.

[Quix]

I respect all Mary did for our Lord.

I respect her place in history.

I’m apalled, dismayed, outraged at what the enemy of our souls has turned her into in one of our oldest Christian clubs.

[Ann Archy]

The Catholic Church also struggles to reach out specifically to the needs of minority communities, such as blacks, Asians and Hispanics, said Deck, who has spent his career in the Hispanic ministry. And the assimilation of immigrants into the Church and also American culture is a tricky balance, he said. “We have to be very careful,” Deck said. “Our role is to promote the Gospel, not any particular culture – not even American

...specifically to the needs of minority????? give me a break! Should be EVERYONE!!!

[Quix]

Really?

Not my reality.

SAVING FAITH

is something between the heart and spirit of an individual and God.

It is UNASSAILABLE. My worst, most fleshly, most awful whatevers could not touch a sub-atomic particle’s worth of SAVING FAITH between any individual and God.

ALL ELSE IS CHAFF.

Now folks may carry around little viles of gilded chaff . . . bow down to them, prostrate themselves before them, pray to them, write poems and songs to them, place them in home and club altars . . . revere them, venerate them, worship them.

But they are still chaff.

Being a conoseur of chaff is NOT one of my life goals.

[Petronski]

Hmmmmmm

What an interesting construction on reality.

[Ann Archy]

This is an odd spin. Catholicism, being the largest Church in the US, has more members to lose. Considering Catholic hostility to divorce and remarriage, it's little surprise that lots of people jump ship in a culture with a huge divorce rate. Anybody bragging about all the ex-Catholics in their church should also report the number of these ex-Catholics who are on their second or third marriage. I say this not out of denial of very real problems, it's just that all factors need to be noted.

Amen......also ABORTION and Birth Control are other reasons...... these people don't trust GOD anymore. sad

[Ann Archy]

Waaaay more FUN going to church when you feel like it or have a new dress.

[Quix]

Sometimes I try to avoid being boring.

Nice to see you are alive and kicking today.

Have a blessed week.

[LurkingSince'98]

time to take a shower and wash you off.

[Mad Dawg]

I didn't understand archaic English when I was a kid. But it's use in weekly worship and an enquiring mind were all I needed to learn what the words (like "prevent" meant and to love the language. You don't need to know a whole lot of Latin to understand the Mass in any event. And SOME of the English is abominable - less so in the Liturgy than in the New American Bible - the Yoda Translation.

If it weren't for the older English of the Bible and of worship books, most people would think that redemption was something that happened to coupons or bonds..

[Mad Dawg]

"Deputy" as in Deputy sheriff. I was a reserve (volunteer) deputy and the lay chaplain for the Sheriff's Office for a while.

Yeah the Pope is just a man. My point was the guy was telling me that because he thought I didn't think so -- HE thought I thought the Pope was infallible And impeccable. He believed something about our teaching that wasn't true. There's a lot of that going around.

What we so often get is people coming up to us compassionately or aggressively and attacking us or commiserating with us because they are just persuaded that we believe something that we don't believe and do something we don't do. It gets old.

Tra la.