Posted on 02/20/2008 4:47:37 PM PST by NYer
On these threads anyone who believes that God’s grace is always with us is mocked. Well, I pray when they stand before God He doesn’t say, Depart from me. I never knew you. That would be tragic.
hey Manfred
If you bothered to Google or wiki it you will find the name, that it is available on Amazon and you can get it in two days.
I told you you wouldn’t read it.
It is like garlic to a vampire to all protestants who even approach reading it.
You won’t dare read it - you’ll get Catholic cooties.
Lurking
hey Manfred
If you bothered to Google or wiki it you will find the name, that it is available on Amazon and you can get it in two days.
I told you you wouldn’t read it.
It is like garlic to a vampire to all protestants who even approach reading it.
You won’t dare read it - you’ll get Catholic cooties.
Lurking
5. Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understood. You cannot convince others to assist you until you understand their perspective. They will be more willing to listen and help after they see that you have listened to them.
Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
From post #483: Meanwhile, you still do not actually answer my questions, nor do you take up my challenge.
In looking through these posts, I assume you mean your "challenge" in #435 that Reformed Protestants shouldn't post to Catholic articles or at least they should be "nice" about it. Ah, yes...we do live in an ecumenical world where everyone should simply get along.
I would suggest that from our perspective our Catholic brethren are in grave theological error, at the very least. It would be unjust and unkind, not to mention unscriptural, of us not to point out these errors-at least I would hope you agree to that logic. I understand the Catholic Church whom you place your faith in has told you otherwise. However, we would be remiss in our spiritual duties to the readers if we didn't point out areas where this man-contrived institution is wrong.
Amen, HarleyD. For me, it’s done out of love for them, not out of hate for Catholics.
Amen, HarleyD. For me, it’s done out of love for them, not out of hate for Catholics.
It is the wild mischaracterization of the faith of others that brands you as either ignorant or deliberately aiming to offend.
It is awfully hard to believe the former.
However, we would be remiss in our spiritual duties to the readers if we didn't point out areas where this man-contrived institution is wrong.
Yes, and the tiniest amount of humility or concession to the others' sincere differences would help immensely.
As it is, the only reaction you invoke is visceral. The fact that you believe sincerely that God commands you to, and commends you when, you act this way seals the deal.
We have heard your ignorant and ill-formed opinion about our faith. We don't agree. Please just stop acting like bulls in china shops.
In order to love, you must first understand. When your entire perception is based upon mischaracterization, you are not an effective witness. Modeling yourself after the Calvinist swarm is about the least efective thing you could do.
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I would suggest that from our perspective our Catholic brethren are in grave theological error, at the very least. It would be unjust and unkind, not to mention unscriptural, of us not to point out these errors-at least I would hope you agree to that logic. I understand the Catholic Church whom you place your faith in has told you otherwise. However, we would be remiss in our spiritual duties to the readers if we didn't point out areas where this man-contrived institution is wrong.The problem HarleyD is this -- you have NO credibility, NO authority to teach and you are preaching to those who have been taught by the Apostles and their appointed successors. We actually HAVE the complete knowledge you are trying to, in your own feeble way, teach us. But since you learned a flawed and man-centered mockery of the faith, your teaching us simply isn't credible.
Would you spend money on a book written by John Calvin? I am not willing to spend money on RCC dogma, but am more than willing to read it.
You are presumptuous - not becoming for one who claims to be a Christian.
From Psalms 19
“12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.”
If you get frustrated, just remember the words of David:
| Why have the Gentiles raged, and the people devised vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the princes met together, against the Lord, and against his Christ. Let us break their bonds asunder: and let us cast away their yoke from us. He that dwelleth in heaven shall laugh at them: and the Lord shall deride them. Then shall he speak to them in his anger, and trouble them in his rage. But I am appointed king by him over Sion, his holy mountain, preaching his commandment. The Lord hath said to me: Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I will give thee the Gentiles for thy inheritance, and the utmost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potter's vessel. And now, O ye kings, understand: receive instruction, you that judge the earth. Serve ye the Lord with fear: and rejoice unto him with trembling. Embrace discipline, lest at any time the Lord be angry, and you perish from the just way. When his wrath shall be kindled in a short time, blessed are all they that trust in him. |
I, for one, wish they'd take off the gloves and say what they really think. Let them rage. But don't give them the satisfaction of getting your goat.
I have my own way of handling this. I model no one. They’re a lot better at it than I am, actually. They know more scripture and have been at it a long time. I would be proud to be able to model them but I never will.
4. Think Win-Win. Long term success is determined by how many people you help be successful, not building yourself up at the expense of others.
Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
From the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
Thanks for your kind notes. My goal is not to help people “be successful”. It’s to point people to Christ, which will not happen unless one sees his depravity and desperate need to a savior.
I am not trying to build myself up - how is that manifested? I would like to squelch it.
Romans 12:10 is instructions for Christian to Christian conversation; not Christian to world conversation.
I have read and studied “7 Habits” (business requirement), but do not take spiritual instruction from Mormons.
>>>>I have read and studied “7 Habits” (business requirement), but do not take spiritual instruction from Mormons<<<
I didn’t realize that menofhonorministry is a Morman site.
brogdensmuse.menofhonorministry.org/Apologetics/7_HABITS.htm
Thank you for clearing that up.
Having been at it for so long, I wonder how successful they have been in converting Catholics by misrepresenting the Catholic faith so vociferously. Where are the testimonies, the fruits of tis great campaign?
I'd like to see that.
Men of Honor isn’t a Mormon site - neither is Brogden’s Muse, where that article is located. Thanks for reminding me that I supplemented Covey’s 7 points with Truth, so as to make them trustworthy.
Making a general reference to “7 Habits of Effective People” relates to Steven Covey - not other documents that may have built on some common points Covey wrote about (but did not discover nor create).
Happy to clear that up for you. Didn’t realize anybody was so easily confused.
>>>I supplemented Covey’s 7 points with Truth, so as to make them trustworthy.<<<<
Interesting.
>>>Making a general reference to “7 Habits of Effective People” relates to Steven Covey - not other documents that may have built on some common points Covey wrote about (but did not discover nor create)<<<
???
So you weren’t being disingenous when you gave us the impression that you only read the “7 Habits” as a “business requirement”?
When, in fact, you quote, incorporate and expound upon them on your website?
I would not have read Covey’s material if my employer had not required it as part of management training. Having read and discussed it with colleagues at work, I recognized principles that the Bible teaches - but Covey did not cite his source material. I decided to attempt doing that.
What part of “Making a general reference to “7 Habits of Effective People” relates to Steven Covey - not other documents that may have built on some common points Covey wrote about (but did not discover nor create)” do you not understand?
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