Posted on 02/20/2008 4:47:37 PM PST by NYer
All by the Grace of God!
The Gospel is working, doc.
(2 Cor 2:15-16)
We do and we can! You must be jealous.
You can’t. Too bad, sooo sad, your loss.
Lurking’
Read Eusibius. I know you won't but it would be an eye-opener for you. Most of which was written prior to the time the bible verses you quote so copiously were set down on vellum.
Whether you understand this or not I’ve gone sixty some years as a practicing Catholic without spending more than ten minutes ever wondering if a Calvinist was speaking anathema or not.
Having existing in a world were my family of nine brothers and sisters were Catholic, my friends and classmates were Catholic and wife is Catholic - I doubt if any Catholic I knew ever spent more than ten minutes wondering about protestants, Lutherans, Calvinists, Methodists or Presbyterians.
They were all splinters from the one true Church, sop we gave them no mind.
There are many here who are quite capable of defending our faith and indeed probably know it much better than I.
So I will leave you to your Catholic bashing. After reading line after line of your compulsive ejecta, I fell the necessity to take a good old Catholic shower and wash off the dirt.
Lurking’
Truly, anger is not a fruit of the Spirit:
Me, too.
That’s right. Love begat love.
There are a number of Catholic churches closing in Central NY, most recently in the Syracuse area.
The Grace of God is always on me, as a born again believer. His grace doesn’t bop in and out of my life like a yo yo. This was one thing my ex-Catholic husband said, too. He was overjoyed when he realized that.
I like your most excellent tag. 8~)
Amen! Well-said. My ex-Catholic husband was likewise surprised and grateful and "overjoyed" when God opened his eyes to the fact that the promises of Christ are true and sure, and that nothing can pluck us from His hands because it is His will that we are numbered among His family.
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." -- Romans 8:28-39
"He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him." -- 1 John 5:10-15 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
I can understand the temporal world denying this truth, but it's always puzzling why any Christian would choose to ignore this gift of assurance.
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved." -- Ephesians 1:4-6"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Lurking,
Did you, perhaps mean Eusebius? Found lots from this fellow, but too much to scan, much less read. What document do you recommend as making the RCC case for apostolic succession? The bit I’ve read just now indicates it is nothing but a slender thread of speculation to justify the RCC organization and dogma.
Experience does not equate to Truth.
Scan Not! Read!
Try to be long on substance and short on conjecture.
Lurkng’
“The Grace of God is always on me, as a born again believer. His grace doesn’t bop in and out of my life like a yo yo. This was one thing my ex-Catholic husband said, too. He was overjoyed when he realized that.”
I’m overjoyed that your husband has finally found where he belongs. I am also thrilled that he and you don’t have the Grace God has given you “bop in and out” of your lives.
You see that when Catholics commit even venial sin they understand that they distance and separate themselves from Christ and His Grace. A practicing Catholic, which I am sure your husband must have been, would: a) examine their conscience (a very Catholic thing), b) realize they were distancing themselves from Christ by their actions or omissions, c) go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation (another Catholic thing), d) receive absolution from a validly ordained Catholic priest, e) perform the penance the Priest proscribes, and f) receives the Eucharist to remove the separation from our Lord.
I’m sure your husband, the formerly Catholic guy, did all this regularly his whold life, and that he didn’t find the Catholic teachings on the Eucharist, confession, conception, abortion, etc. too hard as all the folks in John 6:60-66 did.
Oh I’m sory I forgot now that your husband is born again or whatever - he can’t sin anymore and thereby separate himself from Christ, so he is Christlike and always has all the Grace he needs.
So, nevermind the Catholic stuff - you and he have everything you need (deserve).
Lurking’
What’s the matter - know ye not which document this fella (whose name you misspelled) contains this fairy tale? I will read the document, but I have better things to do than read everything made up by the RCC.
First, it is a book.
Second, Eusebius of Caesarea (c 263 - 339) is an early church writer, who painstakingly (and painfully, if you actually read it) documents history and the succession of the early Church. You know, the Church before there was a bible. The church in the 100-150 years after St John’s death.
Third, I am sure you won’t read it. For any protestant - it is like garlic to a vampire. It has started the conversion of many Protestants to the Catholic faith.
Fourth, I’m sure some guy in the third century felt he should write something “made up by the RCC”. I am certain that you won’t read it - because you are exactly what John 6:60-66 is talking about.
Lurking’
First, according to RCC sources, Eusebius wrote several books - none of which (on this site http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05617b.htm) mention Apostolic succession.
Do you not know which book or publication this fella makes the case for the RCC fairy tale?
You uphold the classic RCC behavior I have observed on this site, making pronouncements of what cannot be known; using ad homonym attacks on non-RCC folks.
Of all the ancient history I’ve read over the past few months, I have become more and more convinced that the RCC version of that time is warped for the benefit of the RCC and not largely compliant with actual history.
Amen. Ancient and modern history alike.
Rome today still denies the truth of God's perfect grace being effective, specific, determinate and lasting.
Rome still presumes to dole out God's grace according to things and not according to Christ's accomplished sacrifice on the cross alone, the"Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Rome still tries to convince men that God is just winging it as He goes along, rather than God declaring the end from the beginning, ordaining His own and protecting His own who are made up of all nations and races too numerous to count and are united to God by the gift of faith in His Son.
Rome still reads the Bible through the spectacles of the magisterium rather than trusting the Holy Spirit to renew men's minds and guide them to the truth.
Rome still makes a mockery of the Trinity by trying to wedge in Mary and assorted other dead people onto the cross with Christ.
Same old, same old.
"Superstition is always fearful" - John Calvin, Acts II:155
Oh, you are so wrong. Whenever we sin, we go to the father himself and ask for forgiveness and because He loves us, HE FORGIVES US AND CLEANSES US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. We don’t have to go to a priest or confession or do any rite to clean us up. It’s so simple, lurking. We know sin separates us from God (yes, even protestants know that!) and that’s why we go to Him and confess our sins to HIM. My husband IS Christlike. His heart is one of a servant and is greatly loved by everyone because He reflects Christ in his daily life. Is he perfect? NOOOOOOO. But he walks his talk.
God’s grace is sufficient for both of us. We’ve discovered that through hardship and trials.
Yes, we do have everything we need, but we don’t deserve it.
Oh, you are so wrong. Whenever we sin, we go to the father himself and ask for forgiveness and because He loves us, HE FORGIVES US AND CLEANSES US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. We don’t have to go to a priest or confession or do any rite to clean us up. It’s so simple, lurking. We know sin separates us from God (yes, even protestants know that!) and that’s why we go to Him and confess our sins to HIM. My husband IS Christlike. His heart is one of a servant and is greatly loved by everyone because He reflects Christ in his daily life. Is he perfect? NOOOOOOO. But he walks his talk.
God’s grace is sufficient for both of us. We’ve discovered that through hardship and trials.
Yes, we do have everything we need, but we don’t deserve it.
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